Benjamin L. Corey

Benjamin L. Corey

BLC is an author, speaker, scholar, and global traveler, who holds graduate degrees in Theology & Intercultural Studies from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, and received his doctorate in Intercultural Studies from Fuller. He is the author of Undiluted: Rediscovering the Radical Message of Jesus, and Unafraid: Moving Beyond Fear-Based Faith.

Critical Christian Principles to Remember in the Voting Booth

So you think Christians ought to be voting with biblical values in mind? Great, here's a few to consider.

Growing up Christian I was taught that the ultimate evidence our profession of faith in Christ was genuine and real was whether or not such a profession translated into our outward behavior and choices.

After all these years, that’s something I still believe to be true.

While we individually face decisions and choices every day that reveal whether or not our commitment to Jesus is true and real, each generation seems to find themselves at a moment in history when the authenticity of the entire group is tested… a moment not only in full public view, but one where history itself will forever record whether or not Christians were the people of Jesus, or total frauds.

For my generation, I believe with all my heart that one of those moments is upon is with the 2020 election– and that the witness of the Church itself is one of the issues to be decided.

In light of this moment dawning upon us, here are some timely and critical Christian principles that Christians in America should remember when they are in the voting booth this year:

Christians are called to prioritize the common good-- instead of just their own good.

When Paul instructed the earliest Christians, he gave them a strong directive: they were to reject the notion of rugged individualism where each person focused on their own needs, desires, and liberties, and that instead, Christians were called to be people who prioritized the needs of others:

“Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.” Philippians 2:4

For those of us who profess to be Christians and who long to be loyal to the Christian faith as passed to us from the saints, we are called first and foremost to vote for what is in the common good, instead of what might simply be in our own good.

That means when we go to the ballot box, we need to be thinking of those in our society who are different than ourselves, and who face different life circumstances– and we need to humbly and thoughtfully cast our vote in a way that prioritizes their needs.

Christians are instructed to remember the needs of the poor.

While we are called to prioritize others and vote for the common good, Christians in particular are called to make sure they always remember the needs of the poor. And this isn’t some minor, ancillary part of being a Christian– it is at the foundation of being a Christian.

The Bible gives us some important details on the birth of the early Church. While Jesus of course picked his 12 disciples, later on it was the disciples themselves who picked new ones to welcome into the fold. When Paul was formally welcomed into the group by Peter, James, and John, he was commissioned and sent out as a disciple. Any when he was, the original disciples had one key thing that was of critical importance to them:

“James, Peter, and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along.” – Galatians 2:9

So, if when the disciples of Jesus sent out new Christian leaders into the world with the critical reminder that whatever they do, they needed to remember the poor, we too would do well to stand in that ballot box and vote with the poor in mind.

Christians are to remember that the end doesn't justify the means.

Jesus famously said, “what would it profit a man if he got everything he wanted but lost his own soul in the process?”

Jesus was very clear that the end result doesn’t matter if your very heart and soul gets lost along the way.

If Jesus were speaking to us today, I imagine he might say something like, “But what good would it do if you got control of the Supreme Court itself, but totally destroyed the Christian witness to the world in the process?”

Christians are commanded to have no association with a particular type of professing believer:

Yes, Christians are called to love everyone, but the Bible is clear that there is a specific type of professing Christian where we are called to draw a hard line and have no association with them. That specific command was given to us by Paul in the book of 1st Corinthians:

“But I am writing to you that you must not associate with any professing believer who is immoral, who is greedy and a lover of money, idolatrous, verbally abusive and known for mocking and slandering others, a drunkard, and who extorts and swindles others for his own gain— do not even share a meal with such a person.”

In the early Church, they were taught that such a person is a total fraud and someone they should stay far away from. The idea that this passage would one day be a pretty close description of a person Christians would support for president would be unthinkable to the first Christians.

For those of us who still want to claim to be part of this faith, we have no business associating with a candidate who comes so close to fitting this description. 

Finally, when going to the ballot box, Christians *might* want to remember certain heaven or hell issues Jesus warned us about.

Heaven or hell issues– all those who grew up evangelical remember those. They were certain things that place you on the wrong side of Jesus, no matter how much you might claim to be a Christian.

But here’s a funny thing: Jesus actually tells us what the final judgement will be like, and tells us what those heaven or hell issues are. It’s an inconvenient passage in Matthew 25 where Jesus describes standing in front of a group of Christians and condemning them to eternal punishment. And the reasons? He’s perfectly clear:

Not feeding the homeless, clothing the naked, not speaking up for those locked in cages, and for refusing to welcome the refugee.

So when we vote, if we believe Jesus and believe that stuff about sin and judgement, we might wanna make sure we’re voting to feed the hungry and welcome refugees– because I don’t think he could make it any more clear that those things are absolutely heaven or hell issues.

So you’re a Christian and believe we’re supposed to remember biblical values when we vote?

Great– I am too.

These are just a few Christian values you might want to keep in mind, because there’s a lot riding on them– like maybe even a soul or two.

Benjamin L. Corey

Benjamin L. Corey

BLC is an author, speaker, scholar, and global traveler, who holds graduate degrees in Theology & Intercultural Studies from Gordon-Conwell, and earned his doctorate in Intercultural Studies from Fuller.

He is the author of Unafraid: Moving Beyond Fear-Based Faith, and Undiluted: Rediscovering the Radical Message of Jesus.

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  1. The number of American dead from Trump’s bs has now passed the number of Hilary’s missing emails. Remember when one dead American was an issue eg Benghazi. All of a sudden 10s of thousands aren’t important anymore and they’ll smile and tell ya how biblical they are.

    Thats conservatives for ya.

  2. Herm darel • 2 months ago
    Wow, you deny who the Word is:
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    You lie, SINLESS Herm. Now, you will show everybody that you lied by your absence of any quote of me denying who the Word is.

    BTW, Jesus is God as v14 makes clear.

    Do you deny that Jesus is God, and that Jesus is the Word, SINLESS Herm?

    Will you ever recant this lie of yours and admit that you are a sinner?

    “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

  3. Herm darel • a day ago • edited

    Proverbs 6:16-19 (NIV2011)

    There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
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    You lied SINLESS Herm, when YOU wrote:

    “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

  4. Herm darel • a day ago
    1 John 3:7-10 (NIV2011)

    Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
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    SINLESS Herm, were you aware that you cited the word of God and that Homosexuals can’t be Christians because they keep on sinning?

  5. Herm darel • 21 hours ago
    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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    I ask, were you aware that you cited the word of God that proves Jesus is God?

  6. “So you think Christians ought to be voting with biblical values in mind?

    Well, that certainly eliminates all of the Democrats.

    1. Progressive by definition is Lawlwssness; do what you want when you want and ignore God’s Laws.The problem they have and hate is that most do not agree with them. So they want to elect people who share their same Lawlessness proclivities who can change social norms to accept Lawlessness as normal. This is what they mean by voting with Christian (their version) ideals in mind.

      1. That’s right, and their escape clause is that the Bible is NOT the word of God, but the word of men. They would like to say the Bible is the word of sinful men but sin is taboo in the liberal lexicon.

      2. That’s right, and their escape clause is that the Bible is NOT the word of God, but the word of men. They would like to say the Bible is the word of sinful men but sin is taboo in the liberal lexicon.

        1. The number of dead Americans has now passed the number of Hilary’s missing emails. Remember when dead Americans was important.

      3. Must be why Jesus was a progressive, killed by those who wanted to uphold God’s laws.

        We can see why people like you would kill him.

  7. Herm Bob Shiloh • 2 days ago

    Jesus disagreed with much of the Law and the Prophets, while summing up what each chronicled relationship was and hung upon.
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    What a liar from hell you are SINLESS Herm!

    Name one law and one prophet of God that Jesus disagreed with. That’s just evil, SINLESS, Herm.

    Just a reminder of worse lie yet:

    “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

  8. Herm darel • an hour ago • edited

    I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.
    ======================

    Herm, you are saying that you are not a sinner. You are saying that you never sin. You are saying that you have never sinned. You are saying that you are perfect. You are making yourself equal with Jesus Christ.

    You are a sanctimonious fraud, Herm.

    1. All the scripture hang on Jesus’ command to love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind and like that, love your neighbor as yourself. All children of God seek to love their enemy as does our Father, who is perfect. Read the Bible you hail as the only word of God you know, not having the word of God in you.

      1. As it is the Sabbath after Passover, the very day Jesus arose from the dead almost 2000 years ago, it is important for your salvation to quote Scripture correctly. Not interpret but quote it accurately. You can’t interpret Scripture if you can’t quote it correctly and in context. So let’s see the Scripture you mangled above and the one you constantly throw out there as if it is everything one needs to know:
        Matthew 22:40
        All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
        Matthew 7:12
        So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

        You could not quote these two scriptures relentlessly without the bible. They are written in the bible; they came from the bible. They are the words of Jesus found in the bible; Jesus is God.They are not the words of some ancient pagan plagiarized by Jesus.

        When you can explain to us why you quote the word of God as written in the bible while rejecting the bible as the word of God I will listen? This is your chance to prove to me that you are not possessed. Do not deflect; answer the question. The only question I will ask you.

      2. Herm darel • 11 hours ago

        All the scripture hang on Jesus’ command to love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind and like that, love your neighbor as yourself. All children of God seek to love their enemy as does our Father, who is perfect. Read the Bible you hail as the only word of God you know, not having the word of God in you.
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        Wrong again SINLESS Herm.

        It’s all the law, SINLESS Herm, All the law SINLESS Herm!

        You wrote the greatest lie a sinner ever wrote, SINLESS Herm:

        “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”
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        You don’t need a Savior, SINLESS Herm, because you have never sinned! That’s the worse lie I have ever read from a sinner. Some might even say that you should be institutionalized. I say that you are so arrogant and such a sanctimonious fraud that you don’t mind making that asinine claim.

        1. Matthew 22:34-40 (NIV2011)

          Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:

          “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

          Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

          darel, if you treasure your only “word of God” so much, you need to learn it!!!

          http://www.learnthebible.org/law-and-the-prophets.html

          All “the Law and the Prophets” is all the Old Testament scripture that Jesus’ referenced.

          Who’s teaching you your only “word of God”?

        2. What bs are you carrying on with now, Trump cultist?

          Its so funny seeing you accuse others of arrogance.

          Jesus spoke about you when he said you strain out a gnat while swallowing a camel.

          The only arrogant and sanctimonious frauds are you and your fellow Trump worshipper.

          Complete and utter hypocrites.

      3. As it is the Sabbath after Passover, the very day Jesus arose from the dead almost 2000 years ago, it is important for your salvation to quote Scripture correctly. Not interpret but quote it accurately. You can’t interpret Scripture if you can’t quote it correctly and in context. So let’s see the Scripture you mangled above and the one you constantly throw out there as if it is everything one needs to know:
        Matthew 22:40
        All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
        Matthew 7:12
        So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

        You could not quote these two scriptures relentlessly without the bible. They are written in the bible; they came from the bible. They are the words of Jesus found in the bible; Jesus is God.They are not the words of some ancient pagan plagiarized by Jesus.

        When you can explain to us why you quote the word of God as written in the bible while rejecting the bible as the word of God I will listen? This is your chance to prove to me that you are not possessed. Do not deflect; answer the question. The only question I will ask you.

        1. Bob, who made you so important to my Father’s will that you can set yourself up to be my judge, jury and executioner?

          Did I quote scripture above, or did I state a fact supported by the scripture you cleverly highlighted? What is not factual above as supported by scripture?

          Look up references to the “dove” in all four gospels and you will find each is written differently, not precisely the same. That is because the gospels were never intended to be taken verbatim.

          Okay, Bob, I am guilty as charged. I am possessed, by God as their little child. Yes, I share my heart, soul, mind, bound together with all love, actually in spirit with and in the Holy Spirit, Jesus, our Father, and all other of the family of God.

          I quote the bible to you, darel and others, who do not know the Teacher living with and in them, because, first, I am trained both by churches and now solely the Spirit of truth, and second, you all claim to believe the bible. When I stated fact, without quoting, that you found was supported by the bible, you accused me of mangling the bible. If you cannot understand the spirit of the bible, and cannot comprehend the letter of the bible, then where are you finding any truth in the bible?

          You judge by the flesh because you cannot accept the spirit. God is spirit!

          1. Asking you to quote scripture accurately is not judging.

            Again:
            When you can explain to us why you quote the word of God as written in the bible while rejecting the bible as the word of God I will listen? This is your chance to prove to me that you are not possessed. Do not deflect; answer the question. The only question I will ask you.

            1. Bob, you have no reading comprehension. What is so hard to understand that the only authority you people choose to accept is the bible that you all say that you trust is the bonafide “word of God”? I quote it because it does not say it is the word of God to begin with and serves only by testimony to tell you how you can become a child of God as the only conclusion. This leaves us with no authority that you would accept to help one another to find the truth about God?

              You do not accept that the Spirit of truth is real and available to you. You do not accept that to be baptized by Jesus, with the Holy Spirit, is exactly the same as being filled with the living Spirit of truth forever. In fact, you demonstrate a fear of being possessed by the Advocate. You are no closer to relating to God as is written in the bible because you don’t read the bible.

              Other than your logic, which has been biased by those of flesh around you, no less so than any orthodox Muslim, what does it take to introduce you to a very real God of love?

              Why can’t you trust God so much that you know that he/they can keep you from evil, if you only ask, and can adore you as a child while guiding you into all truth, never leaving you as an orphan, ever? These are promises all written in your bible that free you from your fears instilled by the corporate church of the flesh. Eternal life can only exist in the Spirit and in truth, not possible in the flesh.

              This is not deflecting!!! This is the truth that I can bear to trust, enough to share with whoever would listen, totally free from the manipulation and intimidation of you and your orthodox religion that does not know God personally.

              1. So you quote the bible…”because it does not say it is the word of God to begin with…” but because…(it) “serves only by testimony to tell you how you can become a child of God…” That is totally contradictory.

                We know “a very real God of love” from the bible. Hebrews 12:6-11 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.”

                ” These are promises all written in your bible…” Yes they are but you cannot pick and choose the words you like and the words you don’t.

                Third request:
                When you can explain to us why you quote the word of God as written in the bible while rejecting the bible as the word of God I will listen? This is your chance to prove to me that you are not possessed. Do not deflect; answer the question. The only question I will ask you.

                1. I AM POSSESSED as a child of God, really. Why do you insist that you have to cure me? That is no motivation for me to teach you everything Jesus commands of me, quite the opposite.

                  The bible is testimony, testimony, testimony, … , old and new, from those who have found their relationship with God in the last 6,000 years. God didn’t change but the testimony did as mankind has been growing to bear more. Jesus disagreed with much of the Law and the Prophets, while summing up what each chronicled relationship was and hung upon.

                  The bible is not a rule book but is a guide book to each our own relationship with God, apropos to each at their time on earth.

                  Over the years with you, Bob, I have shared testimony of my child relationship has grown with, in and of God. That testimony is no less “God breathed” with the Spirit of truth living with and in me for that entire period. I know the Word of God in me and it is not hard copy past testimony, it is one in one divine family relationship. It is relationship not of the flesh, but is purely of the Spirit and truth.

                  I quote the bible because it is sound testimony as to what Jesus said 2,000 years ago, agreeing with what he says today to all of his sibling disciples. I do not quote any “Christian” church doctrine, dogma or theology, as you and darel do, because no physical church is led by Jesus, the high priest of his church of worship which is spirit. You guys are so obsessed with relational rules of the flesh, imposed by mankind, that you can’t understand the relational rules of the Spirit, taught to all children of God by God directly.

                  Why would I not share (quote) testimony from the bible that I can attest to as true, evolving over 6,000 years, compared with my testimony today that is dynamically growing in truth as much as I can bear to assimilate?

                  Can you understand that chronicled testimony of relationship is valuable to quote? Jesus teaches me today, also, in reaffirmation of what he taught and commanded 2,000 years ago. Jesus’ commands, testified to in the bible, were all commands of relationship in spirit. Jesus did not, according to scripture, perform, nor ask (command) any to perform physical rituals, sacraments, or rote declaration of allegiance or creeds. Jesus selected disciples (pupils) and apostles (ministers of the Word filled with the Holy Spirit). Jesus has never appointed judges and executioners on earth, which is what it appears you and darel think you are, as soldiers for “Christ”(?).

                  There is nothing contradictory with my sharing bible testimony with my own, both relating to the same God.

                  Can you understand that?

                  1. Herm Bob Shiloh • 2 days ago

                    Jesus disagreed with much of the Law and the Prophets, while summing up what each chronicled relationship was and hung upon
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                    What a liar from hell you are SINLESS Herm!

                    Name one law and one prophet of God that Jesus disagreed with. That’s just evil, SINLESS, Herm.

                    1. The Lord says!!! Exodus 21:23-25 (NIV2011)

                      But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

                      Leviticus 24:17-22 (NIV2011)

                      “ ‘Anyone who takes the life of a human being is to be put to death. Anyone who takes the life of someone’s animal must make restitution—life for life. Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury. Whoever kills an animal must make restitution, but whoever kills a human being is to be put to death. You are to have the same law for the foreigner and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.’ ”

                      Deuteronomy 19:21 (NIV2011)

                      Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

                      Jesus says!!! Matthew 5:38-42 (NIV2011)

                      You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

                      Who is your teacher?

                    2. I can hardly wait to correct you but first I need an answer to two questions.

                      1. Is Jesus Christ God? I say yes, you say yes or no, just yes or no.
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                      2. Did God author and give the law to Israel? I say yes, you say yes or nor, just yes or no.

                    3. So, if I understand you, the Lord God commands to show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 500 years earlier than when the Lord God commands to not resist an evil person and if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. Is that right?

                      Just how does that fit with the sum of the Law and the Prophets? Please, explain that to me. You can try to answer with your arrogant ‘yes’ and ‘no’ answers if that is what you would want me to do with you. Maybe, I can learn from you how to answer with all truth in only yes and no responses.

                      You are not my teacher, though I am willing learn, pro and con, from your example of testimony. I don’t intend to be your teacher, though I am commissioned to teach all nations how to be filled with the Spirit themselves, with he becoming their sole guide into all truth forever.

                      In my sharing with you, I am doing no more than testifying to my very real relationship with the Spirit of truth, supported by how he is portrayed in the bible you refuse to read.

                    4. So, if I understand you, the Lord God commands to show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 500 years earlier than when the Lord God commands to not resist an evil person and if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. Is that right?

                      Just how does that fit with the sum of the Law and the Prophets? Please, explain that to me. You can try to answer with your arrogant ‘yes’ and ‘no’ answers if that is what you would want me to do with you. Maybe, I can learn from you how to answer with all truth in only yes and no responses.

                      You are not my teacher, though I am willing learn, pro and con, from your example of testimony. I don’t intend to be your teacher, though I am commissioned to teach all nations how to be filled with the Spirit themselves, with he becoming their sole guide into all truth forever.

                      In my sharing with you, I am doing no more than testifying to my very real relationship with the Spirit of truth, supported by how he is portrayed in the bible you refuse to read.

                    5. hahahaha

                      I marvel at how fearful you are of me. You would not answer two simple questions that any true Christian could easily answer. I even answered my own questions to help you out. You are a coward SINLESS Herm.

                      SINLESS Herm, only an arrogant, prideful, full of himself, sanctimonious fraud could write what you wrote:

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                    6. By what evidence do you accuse me of fearing you, arrogance, pride, full of myself, sanctimonious, a coward and a fraud, and by what authority do you ridicule me as you would not have me ridicule you?

                      Is it because you find yourself incapable of loving the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your strength, with all your mind, and like that, love your neighbor as yourself? It seems to me, from my perspective, that you love yourself so little, ashamedly considering yourself an incurable sinner, that it wouldn’t be that much love that would be your all, for God or Man, neighbor friend or foe.

                      If you cannot get your heart, soul, strength, mind, which is spirit in the image of God, out of this physical world, you cannot possibly ever have any awareness or influence (life) in heaven which is solely spirit. If the you gifted the image of God is never aware and influential then you will have nothing to lose, but fear of the unknown itself when you die.

                    7. “By what evidence do you accuse me of fearing you,”

                      You wouldn’t answer yes or no to my questions. You can be so simple, SINLESS Herm.

                      1. Is Jesus Christ God?
                      .
                      2. Did God author and give the law to Israel?

                      You claim to be a learned man and yet you won’t or can’t answer my two simple questions.

                      Any man who made the following claim is capable of answering those questions, SINLESS Herm:

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                    8. Lol why are you so fearful of me, coward?

                      You cannot answer simple questions from the mighty scary Bones.

                      Shows how weak and pathetic your god is.

                      It’s like Trump really.

                    9. He did not answer your simple question. He is commanded to by the bible he quotes.

                      Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

                    10. He knows that he is in trouble when and if he does answer those two simple questions that any true Christian could answer.

                    11. That’s bullshit! I know the Holy Spirit living with and in me right now. I am not in trouble because I do see him, I do know him and I have accepted to be filled with him forever. It is you and Bob who accuse me of lying and of blasphemy as the only begotten Son of God was accused by his religious authorities who, also, did not know God.

                      I do not give authority, that is my living Christ’s alone, to a book that has no more value to than the testimony of mankind. You are no different in your faith of a God unknown than do those, like you, who do not know Jesus in them, and they in him, and swear allegiance to the Koran, which includes the scripture Jesus referred to as the Law and the Prophets, and, at least, they have faith that Jesus was a prophet.

                      You have no Jesus no more than a devout Jew today who still awaits the Messiah to come, based on the scripture known to them as the Law and the Prophets.

                      Is Jesus Christ of God, as the only begotten of Man Son of God, absolutely. How do I know? Because I trust the word of our Father who does protect me from the evil of your father, and his children, and who does provide my nurture in the Spirit that will be eternal, never leaving me an orphaned child of his.

                      The only law that I trust that was given by God to the Levite priests to protect, kept in in the Holy of Holies, was written in stone and protected inside an arc. That arc was taken away from the Israelites, long before the birth of the Son of Man. You can read clearly, according to the Son of Man, with and in whom was the Spirit of truth, the one appearing as a dove, that our Father God is the first, in everything, to do to others as he would have others do to him, as he loves himself. that is not the God portrayed commanding, “Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth”.

                      My Father in heaven is perfect and even loves his enemy, so much so, that he would offer his first Son, as is written he asked of Abraham, that his even enemies might be saved.

                    12. Please answer the question:
                      1. Is Jesus Christ God? I say yes, you say yes or no, just yes or no.
                      You said ,”…Jesus Christ (is) of God. Not the same thing.

                    13. All of God are the body of God!

                      All of Man are the body of Man!

                      Jesus, even after the Holy Spirit came upon him and remained, and sent Jesus out into the wilderness, still referred to himself as the Son of Man and the Son of God. All his disciples, who did the will of his Father, were then and there children of God, brothers, sisters, and mother. All disciples of Jesus today are his siblings with the same Father as he. All, including the Holy Spirit are of God, bound together in one body of God by all love.

                      Anyone of the Spirit, not of this world, can understand this. By your criticism founded on ignorance of the Spirit it is obvious that you are of this world.

                    14. Oh goodie a quiz on orthodoxy also known as an inquisition.

                      You see Bob’s Jesus saying to the thief on the cross after being asked to remember him when he comes into his kingdom, only if you believe he is God.

                      I’m going no.

                      So sue me.

                      It’s so funny watching idiots who worship Trump as messiah, appointing themselves as judges of who is a Christian, when they don’t know their arses from their elbows.

                      Jesus said you will be below prostitutes and tax collectors in the kingdom of God.

                      Seems he wasn’t too interested in your ‘doctrine’.

                      It’s funny how Bob and Darel spend all their time hating others.

                      I suppose they get that from Trump.

                    15. I didn’t read all of his comment, I seldom do. He tries to cover his lies by lengthy ramblings. He is a con man just like all false teachers, although I can’t see anyone actually giving him any money.

                      I think you exposed another heresy of his when you noted his sly wording. Mormons essentially say the same thing. Let’s stay on him to be specific. He has claimed that he is sinless, so he may think he is a god.

                    16. darel, you have never read all the Bible that you claim as your only available words of God. If you had you would know that you are not the first ignorant of God to expose, in their own mind, a son of God of heresy.

                    17. You are not a “son of God” at least in the sense of being a Christian. But you are a heretic.

                      You deny that the Bible is the word of God.

                      You deny that you are a sinner.

                      You deny that Homosexuality is sin

                      You refuse to confess that Jesus is God. A professing Christian would never refuse to acknowledge that Jesus is God.

                      No true Christian local assembly, a Christian church, would ever have you as a member.

                      There is no doubt in my mind that you reject other Christian doctrines taught in the Bible, the word of God. Hopefully you will reveal those as you strike out at me.

                    18. The Holy Spirit NEVER, I repeat NEVER, filled you with this lie, SINLESS Herm

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                      That lie came from the pits of hell and you own it, SINLESS Herm.

                    19. darel, please, explain to me, with any other evidence than your wailing in the wind, why I cannot love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. And why it is a lie that for the love of this entire world, as shared in my heart and mind in the Spirit by my Father, I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. On what grounds makes these lies to you?

                    20. You don’t “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind,” SINLESS Herm, because you have sinned against God in the past, in the present, and you will continuously sin against God in the future.

                      You are a sinner, SINLESS Herm. You are haughty, arrogant, full of yourself, and you are a sanctimonious fraud.

                      to be continued…

                    21. It seems that you are trying to deceive, again, SINLESS Herm.
                      Previously you wrote, “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind…….”

                      Now it’s, “darel, please, explain to me, with any other evidence than your wailing in the wind, why I cannot love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind….”

                      You went from, ” I do love… to asking “why I cannot love…”

                      to be continued……

                    22. You are the first and only person, I have ever encountered or heard of, that has told this whopper of a lie:

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                      I dare say that your mentor Keith Giles has not claimed such, nor anyone else who you learn from. Can you prove me wrong on that? If so quote him or her and provide the link.

                      to be continued…

                    23. Herm darel • 2 months ago
                      Wow, you deny who the Word is:

                      John 1:1 (NIV2011)

                      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
                      You deny him as your one Instructor:

                      ===================================

                      SINLESS Herm, you are a despicable liar!

                      You made ALL of that up. Now, quote me, liar. Provide a quote where I said that the word was not God. Provide a quote where I said that the word was not Jesus.

                      You are a very dishonest man, SINLESS Herm.

                      I guess that I will have to go back and read some of the lying garbage that you have written about me and call you out.

                    24. I have only one Teacher, one Instructor, one Father whom I learn from. If you knew the Way you, too, could learn that all I have shared with you was from and in the Spirit of truth. Just because you have been sheltered from the Spirit of truth inside the fog of your physical church sanctuary, does in no way discredit he who you cannot see, to know, to accept. John 9:35-41

                    25. 1 John 3:7-10 (NIV2011)

                      Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

                      John 3:5-8 (NIV2011)

                      Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

                      Answer this for yourself, I need not know what I already know from your spirit. Are you born a child of God that you may enter the kingdom?

                    26. “Answer this for yourself, I need not know what I already know from your spirit. Are you born a child of God that you may enter the kingdom?”

                      Seriously, SINLESS Herm, you need to learn how to be coherent.

                    27. … your guilt remains, while I have none for I have been set free!

                      Romans 6:22-23 (NIV2011)
                      But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

                    28. You wrote the BIG lie SINLESS Herm:

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                    29. You really don’t believe God is real! Do you fear the wrath of some mystic volcano God taught to you by your community seeking better crops next year?

                      I testify that God is real, eternal and need not be feared by little, temporary physical people of Man, really. Good luck with your fight against the real Spirit in your midst!

                    30. Your great sinful lie is here for all to see:

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                      You can’t hide from that lie SINLESS Herm.

                    31. You show no evidence! You have no foundation to stand on! You trust only in repetition to make your ignorance fact! You say you value and worship the bible as God, while waiting for God to return! You don’t read the bible to comprehend for yourself. You don’t listen to those who do and who do find the Spirit of truth it testifies to!

                      Proverbs 6:16-19 (NIV2011)

                      There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

                      By the spirit you display here you exhibit at least six of the seven. I can’t see your eyes.

                      Luke 14:26-27 (NIV2011)

                      “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

                      I am a disciple of Christ Jesus!

                    32. You show no evidence! You have no foundation to stand on! You trust only in repetition to make your ignorance fact! You say you value and worship the bible as God, while waiting for God to return! You don’t read the bible to comprehend for yourself. You don’t listen to those who do and who do find the Spirit of truth it testifies to!

                      Proverbs 6:16-19 (NIV2011)

                      There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

                      By the spirit you display here you exhibit at least six of the seven. I can’t see your eyes.

                      Luke 14:26-27 (NIV2011)

                      “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

                      I am a disciple of Christ Jesus!

                    33. You show no evidence! You have no foundation to stand on! You trust only in repetition to make your ignorance fact! You say you value and worship the bible as God, while waiting for God to return! You don’t read the bible to comprehend for yourself. You don’t listen to those who do and who do find the Spirit of truth it testifies to!

                      Proverbs 6:16-19 (NIV2011)

                      There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

                      By the spirit you display here you exhibit at least six of the seven. I can’t see your eyes.

                      Luke 14:26-27 (NIV2011)

                      “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

                      I am a disciple of Christ Jesus!

                    34. You have nothing but false and hateful accusations.

                      I have your words SINLESS Herm:

                      Herm darel • 2 months ago
                      Wow, you deny who the Word is:

                      John 1:1 (NIV2011)

                      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
                      You deny him as your one Instructor:

                      ===================================

                      SINLESS Herm, you are a despicable liar!

                      You made ALL of that up. Now, quote me, liar. Provide a quote where I said that the word was not God. Provide a quote where I said that the word was not Jesus.

                      You are a very dishonest man, SINLESS Herm.

                    35. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
                      You deny him as your one Instructor:”

                      My Teacher, Instructor and Father have been accepted in me, without pause, without end, and I in them. I don’t deny them, you do.

                      If you really want to know the Word you have to learn to understand that the Word in the beginning, as written, is the Spirit of truth, who sent the Christ into the wilderness to prepare for his ministry. He is the one who only teaches the will of my Father and the Instructions of he with all authority, now, right now, in heaven and on earth.

                      It is not fair that I laud the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as though I know them to one as blind as you.

                      Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.”

                      I was blind as an authority of the Christian religion and only saw the Spirit of truth, to know him and to accept him when I had lost everything. Today my judgment is founded on the Rock Jesus’ church is built on, not the sand yours is collapsing on.

                      What if I am not “dishonest” and only seem so to you because you have been deluded by mortal teachers of the law?

                      I repeat, theology is the study of God that your corporate church is founded on. Children of God know all of God in them and they in all of God, as written in the Bible. Children of God don’t waste their eternal time studying who they are. Children of God learn, work, play, adventure, and savor each and every moment of time together bound in all love.

                      I have hope for you for once I might have been so arrogant as to try to dissuade a child of God into accepting my theology. I, although, have always sought out truth with evidence in support of my argument. You reject and don’t seem to care for truth that may be beyond your ignorance. That’s arrogance both Man and God despise. You don’t seek to love me, as I seek to love you. You seek only to conquer me.

                      With that, you, once again, are blocked. Bye!

                    36. You have nothing but false and hateful accusations.

                      I have your words SINLESS Herm:

                      Herm darel • 2 months ago
                      Wow, you deny who the Word is:

                      John 1:1 (NIV2011)

                      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
                      You deny him as your one Instructor:

                      ===================================

                      You made ALL of that up. Now, quote me, liar. Provide a quote where I said that the word was not God. Provide a quote where I said that the word was not Jesus.

                    37. You reject the word of God. You go so far as to deny that you are a sinner. Who beside you has ever said:

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                    38. If you do not know the Spirit with and in you, you cannot possibly love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, with all your mind, and like that, do to all others as you would have all others do to you, as you love yourself. Anyone can pledge allegiance to a god unknown because they have been conditioned to fear that god, as you apparently do. I accepted to be of God because I desire to be bound in all love to all hearts, souls, strengths, minds of God, not out of fear of the Lord my God’s retribution.

                      Do you know that the Jewish nation, during Jesus’ ministry on earth, firmly believed that all the heavens rotated around them and their flat earth? They were certain that the earth, and all life on it were created in six earth days. Is that what you believe?

                    39. No to both.

                      Here’s my questions
                      1. When did you sell your soul to Trump?
                      2. Why do you love Trump’s lies?
                      3. What does the Bible say about Liars?

                    40. Lol food rules for starters, not killing adulterous women, not being defiled by bleeding women ….

                      The Law was evil.

                      Like you.

                2. I like when Jesus says

                  “because you say you can see, your sin remains.”

                  Wraps up conservatives like you nicely. You show no god of love at all.

                  You display a religion built on rules and condemnation.

                  Why do you hate the Bible Bob?? …. Apart from the bits about hating and judging others.

                  Like acting justly, loving mercy, walking humbly with your god…

                  Why did you exchange that for Trump’s lies?

              2. The Bible, the Scriptures, the word of God, is the truth, the standard of truth. SINLESS Herm, you deny this, and yet you claim to have the truth in you. You don’t know God from a hole in the ground, SINLESS Herm.

                You even go so far as claim you are SINLESS:

                “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                  1. Because he only knows the wisdom of a physical Man with no understanding of the Spirit of truth guiding him into all truth forever. He expects to be saved physically because Jesus and Lazarus were raised from the dead. What I can’t understand, is when offered a childhood of God, who is spirit not physical, he and Bob still expect Jesus and his Father to establish their throwns physically on earth as physical beings. It sure seems to me that eternal potential for life in spirit is infinitely greater than life bounded by physical constraints. But then that is why I am no longer ruled by their world’s limitations of shared awareness, influence, adventure and savor.

            2. You mean like you do, Bob.

              Jesus said the measure you judge others is the measure you will be judged.

              Thats coming to pass for Conservative hypocritical pharisees like yourself.

        2. Lol.. Bob who’s possessed by the Trump cult accuses someone else of being possessed.

          That’ll do me.

          Physician, heal thyself!

    2. Why do you hate Herm but love Trump?

      Is that why you have to seek out others to attack?

      Does it make you feel better being like Trump?

      The ‘sanctimonious fraud’ is the one pointing their fingers at others.

      Thats why we hate your religion. Just like Jesus did.

      And you people can’t help yourselves.

  9. Watch “Plugs” and Bernie tonight and see if “Plugs” can convince anyone he should be in charge. Someone who is obviously having metal health challenges cannot be allowed to be our President.

      1. The Democrats tried Article 25 against Trump but found no audience.
        I hoped you watched General Barr on Ingram this week? Comey and Brennan did with their tongues hanging out of their mouths.

        1. The Democrats cannot try Article 25. Only Pence can. Trump obviously has mental health challenges, https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1242836333871202305
          but the Trump supporters and the GOP apparently don’t care, except when they find an opportunity to go after a Dem for it. Another double standard. I never watch Ingraham. She is nothing but shrill Trump propaganda who makes her money pandering to Trump supporters’ political priors.

          Okay, I took a look at it. In typical form, she begins badly with a stupid framing about how “we have no freedom of worship, blah blah blah.” Barr did not take the bait. Good on him. But she can’t give up the stupid frame. Fact is, people shouldn’t need the government to tell them to
          take prudent measures. But we also know that people will not choose prudence on their own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm6lnVCVFZM

          Barr ended up repeating himself over and over again because she was like a dog with a bone.

          “Every time?” Good grief, there is no “every time.” This is an extraordinary event, the like of which hasn’t happened in the US for a hundred years. That event caused 575,000 deaths in the US

          https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html

          control efforts worldwide were limited to
          non-pharmaceutical interventions such as isolation, quarantine, good personal hygiene, use of disinfectants,and limitations of public
          gatherings, which were applied unevenly.

          Maybe if the interventions had been applied widely, evenly, and strictly enforced, far fewer people would have died.

          After a segment on China, she misrepresents the objection to Trump’s comments regarding the

          malaria drug as partisan attacks on Trump. Barr took this bait and made statements that implicitly contradict Dr. Fauci and other experts. Keep in mind that Trump also said it was amazing that the virus defeats antibiotics. Of course it does, because antibiotics do not fight viruses. DO NOT take your medical advice from Trump.

          Then she brings up social unrest, risk of looting, etc even though law enforcement reports decrease in property crimes, but an increase in domestic violence. Barr reasonably says we need to learn to adapt by
          changing our protocols.

          Why would Comey or Brannan have any particular reaction to this relatively bland (for Laura) interview?

  10. And for those of you who view the unborn as not children of God:
    TheHill.com
    Trump’s DOJ makes a case for civil rights for the unborn
    BY J. CHRISTIAN ADAMS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 03/11/20 08:30 AM

    The Department of Justice (DOJ) Civil Rights Division will argue in a federal appeals court today that the unborn have civil rights worthy of protection. Civil Rights Division Assistant Attorney General Eric Dreiband will be in the courtroom for Wednesday’s argument before the entire Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, demonstrating the importance of the issue to the court as well as to pro-life voters.

    1. Bob, according to your only “word of God” there is only one Way to become a child of God, no matter what Trump’s DOJ might argue, it is God’s choice to make.

        1. In everything, do to others as you would have others do to you.

          We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

          Yes, even women have the unalienable Right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. Women are not slaves to their community ethics, morals or religious demands to propagate their species. If the species desires to survive it has to support the desires of its women first before it can expect a healthy and constructive spawn. Every sperm and egg are life. Every thought of reproduction is life. Community support, not legislation or demand, will produce more than enough to sustain the community.

            1. I showed where God called for Joshua to abort babies, directly from as it is written in your Bible. Where do you get this, “Abortion is biblical murder”? Either the fifth or sixth commandment, depending which Bible version, is offset with:

              Exodus 22:18-24 (NIV2011)
              “Do not allow a sorceress to live.
              “Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal is to be put to death.
              “Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.
              “Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt.
              “Do not take advantage of the widow or the fatherless.
              If you do and they cry out to me, I will certainly hear their cry.
              My anger will be aroused, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives will become widows and your children fatherless.

              … many more admonitions to kill/murder in the name of God.

              Does that sound like the God of the New Testament, like Jesus, the Christ?

              So, find in the Bible, any translation, where God penalizes any abortion and/or calls such murder!

              It is the mother’s constitutional right!

              1. Nothing you wrote or have ever written makes God complicit in today’s abortions. Joshua is not a proof that God allows abortion.
                God does/can/has killed people for breaking his commands. See Ananias and Sapphira in Acts. They died for lying.
                There is no difference between the OT and NT. God is the God of both. The Word of God was the God who interacted with man in the OT.
                If Abortion is a Constitutional Right show us which Amendment says that.

                1. Joshua’s army killed everyone, man, women, children, everyone, no exceptions of the town. There were pregnant women.

                  Jesus, the Messiah, in the “you heard it said” (google it) referred to sections of the Old Testament Law that was not the God, the Father, that we knew in Jesus, period. You have been told, according to the Bible, that the entire intent God inspired in the portions of the Old Testament, known as the Law and the Prophets, is summed up, in everything, do to others as you would have others do to you. NO, Bob, the God represented in to Old Testament was not the same as the God according to Jesus’ example in the New Testament.

                  Ananias and Sapphira died because they knew they had lied to the Holy Spirit. God did not kill them. They died of a broken heart and mind of spirit. God lives and teaches all their children by example. God carried his cross first, all children of God today carry theirs.

                  1. Joshua 11:20-23 (NIV)
                    20 For it was the Lord himself who hardened their hearts to wage war against Israel, so that he might destroy them totally, exterminating them without mercy, as the Lord had commanded Moses.
                    You realize that this Lord was the Word not God the Father don’t you. Oh, that’s right. You don’t because it doesn’t fit your mindset.

                    Ananias and Sapphira did die because they lied. God judged them and killed them on the spot. Nowhere does it indicate they died of a broken heart.

                    1. How do you read into Ananias and Sapphira that God judged them and killed them? All that is written is that they fell down and died.

                      So Bob, stay with me here, it is you who chooses to wage war against me, due to you’re ignorance of the Spirit of truth as my continual Teacher, as did each the region of Goshen do to Joshua. Does this mean “the LORD” has hardened your heart and that justifies my exterminating you without mercy?

                      Does this sound at all like the heavenly Father of God as Jesus spoke of as perfect?

                      Matthew 5:43-48 (NIV2011)

                      “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

                    2. How do you read into it, “They died of a broken heart and mind of spirit? “All that is written is that they fell down and died.”

                      I can’t response to nonsense.

                    3. I can understand why it would seem like nonsense to you. I, also, understand why you may not be able to grasp why the new covenant between Man and God, gave all authority to Jesus, the Son of Man crucified, stripping all authority from the seat of Moses. Could it have been because they abused it? We can determine exactly that by what is written in the Old Testament, that was not the will of God, as Christ was the example for us to know God in the Gospels. Think about it! Ask God!

                      Happy Sabbath!

                    4. You cannot understand the bible without understanding who Jesus is. Jesus was the Word before He was Jesus.
                      John 1:1, 14
                      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
                      The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

                      Without this basis you cannot understand tGod or His Spirit

                      So tell us Herm, who was the Word if not God and then Jesus and now God?

                    5. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! This could be a truly happy Sabbath.

                      Bob, I am not putting you off, but realize that God, who is spirit, in some ways is simpler than Man and, in other ways, infinitely more complex for Man to understand. I never, even with a seminary education, understood what is written until I knew the Word.

                      From all you know from the Bible these questions can be answered. Who is the Word if not with and in God today, on earth and in heaven, throughout all space physical and spirit? Can God die? Is God dead on earth, today and/or in heaven, today? When I say dead I mean to you, as unable to share with you, as in person to person. Do you believe, as some do, that God/Jesus/God (as you put it) left 2,000 years ago to come back some day?

                      Help me to assist you in answering your questions, please, by taking the time to answer those questions. Look at it as building step by step answering simple questions to make the whole answer simple to understand. It is worth it, believe me.

                    6. You are so close. You are reading what was written by John 1,950 years ago, and is true as an introduction to his Gospel.

                      This is, also, true and more pertinent for you today, “The Word is God”.

                    7. reference John 14:17:
                      …the Spirit of truth. Bob Shiloh cannot accept him, because he neither sees him nor knows him. But I know him, for he lives with me and is in me.

                      What Bible verse can refute the Spirit of that verse?

                    8. That is not at all in the spirit of of John 1:1.

                      John 1:9-13 (NIV2011)

                      The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

                      John 1:32-34 (NIV2011)

                      Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ I have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One.”

                      The light is the Spirit of truth, the one appearing as a dove, my Father made available to all who seek to be guided into all truth, today (John 16:13).

                      I did not make up any verse, as you did, I only inserted your name for the world and mine for the disciples who know the Spirit of truth today.

                    9. That is not at all in the spirit of of John 1:1.

                      John 1:9-13 (NIV2011)

                      The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

                      John 1:32-34 (NIV2011)

                      Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ I have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One.”

                      The light is the Spirit of truth, the one appearing as a dove, my Father made available to all who seek to be guided into all truth, today (John 16:13).

                      I did not make up any verse, as you did, I only inserted your name for the world and mine for the disciples who know the Spirit of truth today.

                    10. Herm is confusing. He says he does not believe the bible is the word of God yet he quotes the bible non-stop. He believes he communicates directly to God through the Spirit to get “answers” especially when he does not like what the bible says.
                      Since the OT contains many of God’s judgments on people and harsh judgments on nations he cannot accept the OT as writtten.

                    11. You are exactly right!

                      The prevailing heresy among religious liberals today is that God is love, and only love. They reject the Biblical doctrine that God is also a God of wrath. This leads to all kinds of heretical beliefs and teaching. No Biblical hell, no lasting punishment for unbelievers, no second coming of Christ, no Kingdom where Jesus rules on earth and no personal need of salvation from our sins. They almost never use the word sin. All one has to do is constantly say that you love everyone and how you care about the poor. It’s another gospel, a fake gospel. The Bible is not believed and Scripture is made to say what they want it to say. Many also say that we should never go to war or even personally defend ourselves or family.

                    12. John 14:17 has nothing to do with the Word does it?

                      …and the Word was with God and the Word was God…and Herm knew Him not…though He created Herm…

                    13. The Spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit, has everything to do with the Word! Please, Bob, just this once read the following that you can verify in your own Bible. The English word baptize means to whelm or fill. John said, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’

                      John 16:12-13 (NIV2011)

                      “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

                      Acts 4:31 (NIV2011)

                      After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly.

                      Bob, I am only continuing to fulfill Jesus’ command for his disciples, led by the Holy Spirit of whom I have been filled.

                      Matthew 28:19-20 (NIV2011)

                      Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

                      The Bible is not an authority, it is two testimonies of God.

                      Who is your guide today and what is her/his authority?

                    14. The Spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit, has everything to do with the Word! Please, Bob, just this once read the following that you can verify in your own Bible. The English word baptize means to whelm or fill. John said, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’

                      John 16:12-13 (NIV2011)

                      “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

                      Acts 4:31 (NIV2011)

                      After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly.

                      Bob, I am only continuing to fulfill Jesus’ command for his disciples, led by the Holy Spirit of whom I have been filled.

                      Matthew 28:19-20 (NIV2011)

                      Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

                      The Bible is not an authority, it is two testimonies of God.

                      Who is your guide today and what is her/his authority?

                    15. You said, “You are so close. You are reading what was written by John 1,950 years ago, and is true as an introduction to his Gospel.”
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                      It’s still true today. Why can’t you believe the Scriptures, the word of God.

                    16. Because Herm has decided that the God of the OT who judged people and nations, as He does today, wold never hurt anyone because He is a God of love. But this is hardly original – just make believe.

                    17. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
                      2 Corinthians 3:7-18 (NIV2011)

                    18. Matthew 5:17-20
                      (17) “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. (18) For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. (19) Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (20) For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

                    19. Matthew 7:12 (NIV2011)

                      So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

                      Matthew 22:37-40 (NIV2011)

                      Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

                      2 Corinthians 3:13 (NIV2011)

                      We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away.

                      Matthew 5:17-18 (NIV2011)

                      “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

                      John 19:30 (NIV2011)

                      When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

                      The temple was torn down, the veil was rent (the curtain was torn) top to bottom, and the scripture was fulfilled. For the Son of Man/the Son of God, the heaven and the earth passed away, no awareness or influence, as he was dead. The third day the temple (John 2:19) was raised again.

                      John 19:36 (NIV2011)

                      These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”

                      John 4:23-24 (NIV2011)

                      Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

                      2 Corinthians 3:16-17 (NIV2011)

                      But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

                      Bob, I am selling nothing for my profit. I have no reason, at all, to pump my ego up by winning some fruitless debate or to fill the pews and coffers of my church. I don’t have any need to please my blood family, my pastor or my church family. If you are truly serious about following truth in God and the heavenly Father’s will, and you want freedom from your confusion, turn away from your church and turn toward the Lord, today. If there is any reason for you to feel remorse for your blind allegiance the truth will set you free from that doubt. There is nothing to fear, God truly is love of which none of Man can possibly comprehend, only grow into as each can bear to accept it.

                      Your health is continually in my prayers. Love you!

                    20. Matthew 7:12 (NIV2011)

                      So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

                      Matthew 22:37-40 (NIV2011)

                      Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

                      2 Corinthians 3:13 (NIV2011)

                      We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away.

                      Matthew 5:17-18 (NIV2011)

                      “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

                      John 19:30 (NIV2011)

                      When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

                      The temple was torn down, the veil was rent (the curtain was torn) top to bottom, and the scripture was fulfilled. For the Son of Man/the Son of God, the heaven and the earth passed away, no awareness or influence, as he was dead. The third day the temple (John 2:19) was raised again.

                      John 19:36 (NIV2011)

                      These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”

                      John 4:23-24 (NIV2011)

                      Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

                      2 Corinthians 3:16-17 (NIV2011)

                      But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

                      Bob, I am selling nothing for my profit. I have no reason, at all, to pump my ego up by winning some fruitless debate or to fill the pews and coffers of my church. I don’t have any need to please my blood family, my pastor or my church family. If you are truly serious about following truth in God and the heavenly Father’s will, and you want freedom from your confusion, turn away from your church and turn toward the Lord, today. If there is any reason for you to feel remorse for your blind allegiance the truth will set you free from that doubt. There is nothing to fear, God truly is love of which none of Man can possibly comprehend, only grow into as each can bear to accept it.

                      Your health is continually in my prayers. Love you!

                    21. …and the Word was with God and the Word was God…but Herm knew Him not and continued to deny Him…saying “God truly is love” which negates all Scripture he doesn’t like…

                    22. Okay, Bob, you’re happy with the veil.

                      2 Corinthians 2:17 (NIV2011)
                      Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.

                      2 Corinthians 3:6 (NIV2011)
                      He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

                      How many children of God will you crucify for blasphemy before you feel remorse?

                    23. As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the end of this age, ” But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read.”

                    24. 2 Corinthians 3:16-17 (NIV2011)
                      But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

                      So you turn to the days of Noah, not to the Lord. When do you realize, if you do, that the Lord is Spirit? The earth will pass away. Jesus isn’t going to set up the kingdom on earth, period!

                    25. Herm darel • 21 hours ago
                      Did Joshua actually destroy, kill, murder, every man, woman and child or not?
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                      (4) What would you have done if you were Joshua?

                    26. . Herm Bob Shiloh • 3 hours ago

                      Do you believe, as some do, that God/Jesus/God (as you put it) left 2,000 years ago to come back some day?
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                      Christianity does. In fact, Christians believe that Jesus Christ will return and set up His Kingdom on earth.

                      You don’t?

                    27. Herm Bob Shiloh • 4 hours ago
                      I never, even with a seminary education, understood what is written until I knew the Word.
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                      No Christian seminary would allow you to attend classes once they found out that you were so anti-Christian. You surely flunked out.

              2. Herm darel • 21 hours ago
                Did Joshua actually destroy, kill, murder, every man, woman and child or not?
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                (3) What would you have done if you were Joshua?

    2. Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” “How can someone be born when they are old?”

      Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

      Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

      “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.

      “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

      John 3:3-15 (NIV2011)

      He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

      John 1:11-13 (NIV2011)

      the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

      John 14:17 (NIV2011)

      But, Bob, you don’t know him, you are of the world who cannot accept him, and neither can any fetus during being born of water see, to know, to accept him to be born of the Spirit. It is written clearly in your Bible. If this is not so, please show me, in the Bible, where it is written differently.

      1. Herm, that is not just twisting the Scriptures, that is an egregious perversion of the Scriptures!

        Have you no shame? Are you an atheist, just trying to provoke Christians?

        1. Okay darel, now show me in your only “word of God”, what has God decided makes a child of God. Just your word does not make it God’s word.

          1. You wrote: “But, Bob, you don’t know him…..and neither can any fetus during being born of water see, to know, to accept him to be born of the Spirit.” Jesus was talking to grown men. The unborn person, the “fetus” as you call him/her are not able to understand their need for Salvation, the forgiveness of their sins, against God. Neither is a newborn. A “fetus” is a developing human being. You would be killers of the unborn use the word “fetus” to deceive others.

            Now, the unborn is a person. There are many Scriptures in the Bible, the word of God, the same Bible that you claim is NOT the word of God, that clearly show that the unborn in the womb has personhood.
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            And since you excel at being woefully wrong about Scripture, I will just give you one for now. I say just one for now, because you surely will not stop being wrong.

            “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations” (Jeremiah 1:5).
            You is personhood, Herm. “You” is a personal pronoun. You is a substitute for Jeremiah, a person.

            1. darel, you accuse me of “twisting the Scriptures.

              Jeremiah 1:4-8 (NIV2011)

              The word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

              “Alas, Sovereign LORD,” I said, “I do not know how to speak; I am too young.”

              But the LORD said to me, “Do not say, ‘I am too young.’ You must go to everyone I send you to and say whatever I command you.

              Do not be afraid of them, for I am with you and will rescue you,” declares the LORD.

              That is “The word of the LORD” (Scripture???) speaking to Jeremiah, not a biblical definition of what God has decided makes a child of God. Jesus, the Christ, made it very clear, in the Gospels, what it takes to be a child of God, his sibling, and his student as the Messiah.

              darel, you don’t know the Spirit of truth, either. You are not a child of God born of the Spirit.

              By the way, your usurped “Christian” spirit is famous — http://disq.us/p/27tw3p8

              1. You wrote “That is “The word of the LORD” (Scripture???) speaking to Jeremiah,..”

                Yes, the Lord God was speaking to Jeremiah. Why is that beyond your understanding? Anybody but you can see that.

                You wrote:”not a biblical definition of what God has decided makes a child of God.” God said “you,” that means personhood. Likewise, I (personhood) began my response to you (personhood) with “You wrote.” “You” is personhood, “you” is a personal pronoun for Herm. You are a person regardless of any gymnastics in your mind that you are not a person.

                You, Herm, a person, do not know God.

                Try again.

                1. darel, the Spirit of truth lives with and in me, without pause, without end, right now. I will speak the word of God in me without your idolized scripture right now. The word of the LORD (the word of God) was not scripture, the Bible, which was not written or canonized at the time of Jeremiah

                  Mankind was an identifiable procreating (born of water) animal species developing long, millions of years, before the “image of God” was graced to them. Mankind will remain for as long as the species exists dependent on propagation to survive for each member will die, cease to exist, cease to be aware and influential.

                  God is spirit. Each of God are with and in each other without end, which will never be possible for physical beings.

                  If Scripture does not agree with, in everything, do to others as you would have others do to you it was not from God’s direct influence, is was not God’s intent. 1,985 years ago there was much more that Jesus’ disciples could not bear that Jesus’ disciples today can easily accept as truth.

                  That’s a minute amount of truth that you will find difficult to comprehend because you don’t have the Spirit of truth living with and in you, without pause, without end.

                  The fact is that to legislate a mother’s responsibility to their instinctive animal procreation is not God’s will in any form. This only became a religious issue when the early Roman Catholic church used it to populate the church. The rhythm method was a known phony method of contraception to facilitate further church populations. If you were to project on saving the fetus, against the will of the mother (and the father, secondly), what’s to keep from legislating that all potential mothers must get pregnant to increase the population of mankind?

                  Your Holy Bible says that God instructed Joshua to destroy all the inhabitants with the cities; young, old, male, female, pregnant.

                  Until you know to see to accept to be born of the Spirit you are no more than a physical animal born of water graced the image of God.

                  … and I did note that you quit, again, offering scripture to support your premise.

                  1. Herm, you wrote: “darel, the Spirit of truth lives with and in me, without pause, without end, right now.”

                    The Holy Spirit does not live within you, no matter how many times you make that claim. You are a sanctimonious fraud. Now you run to some form Darwinism after I exposed the errors in your thinking in your last comment to me.

                    You try to hide your bankrupt spiritual state by citing long passages of Scripture. You may bamboozle your fellow lost souls on this site, but it won’t work with me.

                    When you write your own thoughts, you write incoherent gibberish. Your latest comment is a fine example of bamboozling gibberish.

                    Again, Jeremiah was a person in the womb – The word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

                    The spirit that resides in you, and guides your thinking, can’t understand that.

                    Try again, Herm.

                    1. Matthew 5:38-42 (NIV2011)

                      “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ [Exodus 21:24, Leviticus 24:20, Deuteronomy 19:21] But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

                      Matthew 5:43-48 (NIV2011)

                      “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ [Deuteronomy 23:6, Psalm 139:21,22] But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

                      You apparently don’t read the Bible scripture or you would see how much truth is written and how much you abuse. Jesus, the one Instructor, made it extremely clear that what is written in scripture is according to the perception of the author and not necessarily the intent of God, as shown above.

                      It is perfectly fine with you that the word of the Lord is shared directly with Jeremiah but the word of God couldn’t possibly be shared directly with Herm.

                      Did Joshua follow the will of God at the battle of Jahaz chronicled in a book of the law? Did God, also, form and know each unborn fetus destroyed?

                      Deuteronomy 2:32-34 (NIV2011)

                      When Sihon and all his army came out to meet us in battle at Jahaz, the LORD our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them—men, women and children. We left no survivors.

                      You never did answer what God has decided makes a child of God. I can’t blame you your ignorance but you will be held responsible for blaspheming the Spirit of God.

                    2. Your knowledge of the Spirit is limited. You can not and do not blaspheme the Spirit except in one very particular way. And that way is unknown to you and will remain so because you do not have the Spirit of God.

                    3. In Luke 1:41 NASB, the unborn is actually called a baby.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

                      Again, the unborn are persons.

                      Try again, Herm.

                    4. You are getting a teenie bit closer. Try again.

                      (12) Herm, please tell me in your own words what this verse is saying.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Luke 1:41 NASB

                      Take your time.

                    5. darel, the English word “you” was never written. No pronoun of personhood was written.

                      Lexicon

                      “Before
                      בְּטֶ֨רֶם (bə·ṭe·rem)
                      Preposition-b | Adverb
                      Strong’s Hebrew 2962: Non-occurrence, not yet, before

                      I formed
                      אֶצָּרְךָ֤ (’eṣ·ṣā·rə·ḵā)
                      Verb – Qal – Imperfect – first person common singular | second person masculine singular
                      Strong’s Hebrew 3335: To mould into a, form, as a, potter, to determine

                      you in the womb
                      בַבֶּ֙טֶן֙ (ḇab·be·ṭen)
                      Preposition-b, Article | Noun – feminine singular
                      Strong’s Hebrew 990: The belly, the womb, the bosom, body of anything

                      I knew you,
                      יְדַעְתִּ֔יךָ (yə·ḏa‘·tî·ḵā)
                      Verb – Qal – Perfect – first person common singular | second person masculine singular
                      Strong’s Hebrew 3045: To know

                      and before
                      וּבְטֶ֛רֶם (ū·ḇə·ṭe·rem)
                      Conjunctive waw, Preposition-b | Adverb
                      Strong’s Hebrew 2962: Non-occurrence, not yet, before

                      you were born
                      תֵּצֵ֥א (tê·ṣê)
                      Verb – Qal – Imperfect – second person masculine singular
                      Strong’s Hebrew 3318: To go, bring, out, direct and proxim

                      I set you apart
                      הִקְדַּשְׁתִּ֑יךָ (hiq·daš·tî·ḵā)
                      Verb – Hifil – Perfect – first person common singular | second person masculine singular
                      Strong’s Hebrew 6942: To be set apart or consecrated

                      [and] appointed
                      נְתַתִּֽיךָ׃ (nə·ṯat·tî·ḵā)
                      Verb – Qal – Perfect – first person common singular | second person masculine singular
                      Strong’s Hebrew 5414: To give, put, set

                      you a prophet
                      נָבִ֥יא (nā·ḇî)
                      Noun – masculine singular
                      Strong’s Hebrew 5030: A spokesman, speaker, prophet

                      We inserted the pronouns!!!

                    6. Herm, human life begins at conception, in the womb, Luke 1:30-31-
                      The angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.

                      God sent the angel Gabriel tell the virgin Mary that she would conceive and have a son. The son was Jesus. Jesus was conceived, and developed in the womb, and then born. Jesus, just like Jeremiah was a person in the womb.

                      This is the order in all of humanity. You Herm, were conceived in the womb, developed in the womb and then you were born. You Herm, were a person in the womb, before you were born.

                      Jesus was a person in the womb, before He was born.
                      You also Herm were a person in the womb before you were born.

                      Everybody living today and who ever lived was a person in the womb before they were born.

                      Try again, Herm.

                    7. Look darel, you are so far off thee beginning of this thread which began with Bob saying,”And for those of you who view the unborn as not children of God:

                      I replied with John explaining, in the Bible:

                      John 3:3-15 (NIV2011)
                      >blockquote>He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

                      … and Jesus’ statement from the Bible:

                      John 3:5-7 (NIV2011)

                      Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’

                      … I add Jesus’ statement from the Bible:

                      John 4:24 (NIV2011)

                      God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

                      Jesus, the prophesied Christ, the one Instructor Messiah, was born of the Holy Spirit propagating sexually, of water, with Mary, making him the only begotten Son of God and the Son of Man from God.

                      ALL other children born of water are in no way born of the Spirit and are not children of God able to enter into the kingdom of God, which is spirit on earth and in heaven where Jesus has ALL authority.

                      NO argument made by the Trump DOJ can make any fetus, any child, or any adult of mankind, born of water, a “child of God” clearly according to the Messiah as quoted in the Bible.

                      You are blindly making presumptions only to fit your definition of a child of God, or even a fetus known to God (thousands destroyed in the Law and the Prophets), as protected by God’s command to save by legislation. It isn’t true, and there is far more evidence in the Law and the Prophets that every fetus’ and child’s is the parent’s responsibility, not the community’s.

                      Your loss, because you are not born again. By your fruit you do not see, to know, to accept the Spirit of truth.

                      Children of God are only conceived in the Spirit to live eternally. Children of Man are conceived in the womb of a woman to live terminally.

                    8. Look darel, you are so far off thee beginning of this thread which began with Bob saying,”And for those of you who view the unborn as not children of God:

                      I replied with John explaining, in the Bible:

                      John 3:3-15 (NIV2011)
                      >blockquote>He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

                      … and Jesus’ statement from the Bible:

                      John 3:5-7 (NIV2011)

                      Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’

                      … I add Jesus’ statement from the Bible:

                      John 4:24 (NIV2011)

                      God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

                      Jesus, the prophesied Christ, the one Instructor Messiah, was born of the Holy Spirit propagating sexually, of water, with Mary, making him the only begotten Son of God and the Son of Man from God.

                      ALL other children born of water are in no way born of the Spirit and are not children of God able to enter into the kingdom of God, which is spirit on earth and in heaven where Jesus has ALL authority.

                      NO argument made by the Trump DOJ can make any fetus, any child, or any adult of mankind, born of water, a “child of God” clearly according to the Messiah as quoted in the Bible.

                      You are blindly making presumptions only to fit your definition of a child of God, or even a fetus known to God (thousands destroyed in the Law and the Prophets), as protected by God’s command to save by legislation. It isn’t true, and there is far more evidence in the Law and the Prophets that every fetus’ and child’s is the parent’s responsibility, not the community’s.

                      Your loss, because you are not born again. By your fruit you do not see, to know, to accept the Spirit of truth.

                      Children of God are only conceived in the Spirit to live eternally. Children of Man are conceived in the womb of a woman to live terminally.

                    9. Please tell in your own words what this verse is saying:

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:41 NASB

                    10. Wrong again, but keep trying

                      (11) Herm, please tell me in your own words what this verse is saying.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Luke 1:41 NASB

                      Take your time.

      2. You should remember that breaking God’s commands is one thing but teaching others to do so is much more serious. What is abortion except baby killing? You don’t need anything but your eyes and ears to understand that.

        1. Bob, what is it with you and darel? Why don’t either of you understand that your word is not God’s word and your law is not God’s law? Show me God’s word and law as it is written in your only accepted “word of God”, please!

            1. You can’t show me God’s word and law?

              Do you understand that I know I have nothing to lose here, because I know I know the Spirit of truth with and in me always?

              You have everything to lose, that you wield as of value to you, if you cannot at least find validation in the Bible you say you trust as the word of God. I love you more than enough that I don’t want to see you lose or I wouldn’t have continued to reply to you; that and I don’t want to see those you mislead in your ignorance lose either.

              Find what refutes the Scripture I share with you in Scripture, or admit that Scripture cannot be the living word of God. Then you will be free to seek the living and available word of God for yourself and others … who you would do to as you would have them do to you.

                1. Acts 8:17-23 (NIV2011)

                  Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

                  When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

                  Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”

                  I already received the Holy Spirit, full time, no pause, forever. I am not trying to by the gift of God! From what do you insist do I reflect upon and possibly repent?

                    1. Herm, please tell me in your own words what this verse is saying.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Luke 1:41 NASB,

                    2. Acts 4:31 (NASB)
                      And when they had prayed, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with boldness.

                    3. But now, even with my help you can’t admit that the unborn have personhood. You are intelligent enough to explain that verse, right?

                      Put on your thinking cap or call somebody you trust, and asked them to help you understand what this verse is saying.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Luke 1:41 NASB

                    4. I believe you quoted Jeremiah, regarding before he was conceived in the womb, the that, because I used the word “he”, also, make him a person so we should never legislatively allow a woman not to be pregnant for fear of missing someone that God saw as a person? You are ridiculous, if it’s okay to murder in war, send our children to protect us in war, to save our way of life, why is it not okay for a woman to save her way of life. Did Joshua actually destroy, kill, murder, every man, woman and child or not? Did God ask Abraham to sacrifice his son, authorizing that it was Abraham’s responsibility whether or not Isaac lived or died, not civil law?

                      Can’t you see that you make God evil, not loving, by demanding thou shalt not kill while simultaneously demanding that others kill in his name? Get your nose out of women’s, gay’s, immigrant’s and others’ lives in the name of God. The Bible does not give you any right to do so, especially through civil or “Christian” Shariah law.

                      But, the subject here, was what makes a child of God, not what makes a person.

                    5. Wrong, think before you write.

                      (5) Herm, please tell me in your own words what this verse is saying.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Luke 1:41 NASB

                      Take your time.

                    6. Your lack of intelligence is showing.

                      (6) Herm, please tell me in your own words what this verse is saying.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Luke 1:41 NASB

                      Take your time.

                    7. Take your time, and think, you can do this.

                      (8) Herm, please tell me in your own words what this verse is saying.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Luke 1:41 NASB

                      Take your time.

                    8. You can do this Herm. Don’t let me down.

                      (9) Herm, please tell me in your own words what this verse is saying.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Luke 1:41 NASB

                      Take your time.

                    9. Herm darel • 21 hours ago
                      Did Joshua actually destroy, kill, murder, every man, woman and child or not?
                      ===================
                      What would you have done if you were Joshua?

                    10. Herm darel • 21 hours ago
                      Did Joshua actually destroy, kill, murder, every man, woman and child or not?
                      ===================
                      (2) What would you have done if you were Joshua?

                    11. Herm darel • 21 hours ago

                      Get your nose out of women’s, gay’s, immigrant’s and others’ lives in the name of God.
                      The Bible does not give you any right to do so, especially through civil or “Christian” Shariah law.
                      ==========
                      You are hearing voices.

                    12. Herm darel • 21 hours ago
                      Did God ask Abraham to sacrifice his son, authorizing that it was Abraham’s responsibility whether or not Isaac lived or died, not civil law?
                      ==================

                      Since that’s a question from your wicked mind, you surely can come up with a wicked answer. I will not help you in whatever wicked game you have in mind.

                    13. Okay darel, you are no more inspirational to God’s will than any other intentionally irritating troll. You have no Bible comprehension nor can you come close to speaking the word of God. You are blocked! BYE!!!

                    14. Herm darel • 13 minutes ago
                      You are blocked! BYE!!!
                      ===========

                      You are lying, and you know it. I will quote that lie of yours every time you engage me. I have shown you to be a sanctimonious fraud and your arrogance and pride won’t let you go away defeated.

                    15. Herm darel • 21 hours ago
                      Can’t you see that you make God evil, not loving, by demanding thou shalt not kill while simultaneously demanding that others kill in his name?
                      ===================
                      That’s your wicked concoction. Surely you can come up an answer just as wicked.

                    16. Herm darel • 20 hours ago

                      You are ridiculous, if it’s okay to murder in war, send our children to protect us in war, to save our way of life, why is it not okay for a woman to save her way of life.
                      =================

                      Most pro-abortions essentially say the same thing, Herm. You all seem seem totally oblivious to your wicked black hearts. You are worse, because you actually claim to have the Spirit of God. You have no shame.

                    17. John was born of the Spirit under the responsibility of his mother and the heavenly Father.

                      John 3:6 (NASB)
                      “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

                    18. Again, you run when to something else when confronted.

                      Herm, please tell me in your own words what this verse is saying.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Luke

                    19. These are my own words assisted by the Spirit of truth:

                      John was born of the Spirit under the responsibility of his mother and the heavenly Father.

                    20. (4) Herm, please tell me in your own words what this verse is saying.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Luke 1:41 NASB

                      Take your time.

                    21. Focus, you can get it.

                      (6) Herm, please tell me in your own words what this verse is saying.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Luke 1:41 NASB

                      Take your time.

                    22. I’m patient, I can work with you, try again.

                      (7) Herm, please tell me in your own words what this verse is saying.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Luke 1:41 NASB

                      Take your time.

                    23. Wrong again, but keep trying

                      (10) Herm, please tell me in your own words what this verse is saying.

                      When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In Luke 1:41 NASB

                      Take your time.

        2. But, Bob, you don’t know him, you are of the world who cannot accept him, and neither can any fetus during being born of water see, to know, to accept him to be born of the Spirit. It is written clearly in your Bible. If this is not so, please show me, in the Bible, where it is written differently.

            1. I would call them hit men. Hit men have been found to be convicted, sprinkled, immersed, anointed and proud members of the Christian church, who carry their sword. I would call them Christians who are are hit men. I would not call them, as I cannot call you, a disciple of Christ.

              1. It seems you saying that hit men can become Christians, and I certainly would agree with that. However, back to you, how did you become a Christian?

                1. darel, you are a very frustrating. Has anyone ever told you that? You won’t read, to understand, anything that is too long and you can’t see the fullness of a point in anything too short. From all you share that indicates you read the reply, you do nothing but blindly force your point, without considering that you just might be wrong. You demonstrate no empathy for any who are not of your immediate family.

                  The same reason that individuals of mankind that ends with Muslims becoming Muslims, Jews becoming Jews, Christians becoming Christians, Buddhists becoming Buddhists, Hindi becoming Hindi, Agnostics becoming Agnostics, and Atheists becoming Atheists is what made me choose to become a Christian, the convincing fellowship, as a child and an adult, of my family and their community of influence.

                  I have grown well past any membership of any church but Jesus’ church. I grew beyond holding any allegiance to any form of corporate “Christianity” as practiced on earth today.

                  As I thought about it, having been a minister in Folsom Prison and a serious practicing theologian in the study of God, it is not so humorous, but true, that the Christian church has historically employed hit men to remove an opponent. Even worse, the many crusades that murdered thousands of men, women and children were sponsored by the Christian church in the name of God. NO true disciple of Christ carries a sword in place of their cross.

                  Fellowship of mankind led me to become a Christian. Relationship with the Spirit of truth freed me to fellowship in God as their child.

                  1. Translation – your claim of being a Christian is based on love. You say you love (talk is cheap) and then you say you love some more, it’s all about love, you love everybody, therefor you are a Christian, right?

                    Herm, was there ever a point in your life when you thought you were a sinner, and you had no personal relationship with God? Did you ever become aware that it was your sins that prevented you from having a personal relationship with God? Was there ever a point in your life that you realized there was nothing you could do to warrant eternal life? Did you ever have the thought that no matter how much you love others it was not enough? Did you ever realize that Jesus was the only man who ever lived a perfect sinless life, and that you could never do the same? Did you ever wonder why Jesus gave His life to die for your sins and the sins of all mankind? Did you ever read in the Bible that you could have forgiveness of your past, present, and future sins by confessing to God that you are a sinner deserving of hell, and then simply by faith accept what He did for you on the cross, and trust Him for your needed Salvation, and make Him the Lord of your life and serve Him?

                    The path you are on now is the path of meriting eternal life by doing good works. You actually believe that you are a good loving person and that you deserve eternal life. Do you love God with all your heart, mind and soul, and your neighbor as yourself? I hope that you don’t really believe that. But it does appear to me that you do. Herm, you don’t.

                    You need the Savior Jesus Christ, just like everybody else.

                    1. darel, that is not what Jesus said, but let’s start with what Paul told the Romans, please, for once, read this entire reply.

                      Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

                      Romans 8:1-11 (NIV2011)

                      “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

                      John 14:15-21 (NIV2011)

                      Let’s keep this as simple as possible, if you do nothing more, or less, than the following you will live. If you do not do this before your physical body dies you will not live.

                      On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
                      “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
                      He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
                      “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

                      Luke 10:25-28 (NIV2011)

                      Sin is a trespass against the law that God knows all constructive life in relationship depends on, especially relationship in and of God. It is a myth that Eve and Adam sinned against the Father by eating fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They did not eat from the tree of life, so they were certainly going to die anyway, as all life in this universe dies. Only life in the Spirit does not die. No parent who loves their children wants them to not know and be responsible to the knowledge of good (constructive to relational life) and evil (destructive to relational life). All life to continue requires that in everything each does to each other first as they would have the other do to them first, measured as they love themselves.

                      By your fruit you are not fed by the vine rooted in Christ. The spirit of God, who so loves the world, does not live in you. How do I know so certainly?

                      You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood. Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

                      1 John 4:4-12 (NIV2011)

                      I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.

                      I hope, for the sake of your potential immortal soul you have read and considered all of this. You are loved!!!

                    2. darel, that is not what Jesus said, but let’s start with what Paul told the Romans, please, for once, read this entire reply.

                      Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

                      Romans 8:1-11 (NIV2011)

                      “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

                      John 14:15-21 (NIV2011)

                      Let’s keep this as simple as possible, if you do nothing more, or less, than the following you will live. If you do not do this before your physical body dies you will not live.

                      On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
                      “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
                      He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
                      “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

                      Luke 10:25-28 (NIV2011)

                      Sin is a trespass against the law that God knows all constructive life in relationship depends on, especially relationship in and of God. It is a myth that Eve and Adam sinned against the Father by eating fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They did not eat from the tree of life, so they were certainly going to die anyway, as all life in this universe dies. Only life in the Spirit does not die. No parent who loves their children wants them to not know and be responsible to the knowledge of good (constructive to relational life) and evil (destructive to relational life). All life to continue requires that in everything each does to each other first as they would have the other do to them first, measured as they love themselves.

                      By your fruit you are not fed by the vine rooted in Christ. The spirit of God, who so loves the world, does not live in you. How do I know so certainly?

                      You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood. Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

                      1 John 4:4-12 (NIV2011)

                      I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.

                      I hope, for the sake of your potential immortal soul you have read and considered all of this. You are loved!!!

                    3. darel, that is not what Jesus said, but let’s start with what Paul told the Romans, please, for once, read this entire reply.

                      Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

                      Romans 8:1-11 (NIV2011)

                      “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

                      John 14:15-21 (NIV2011)

                      Let’s keep this as simple as possible, if you do nothing more, or less, than the following you will live. If you do not do this before your physical body dies you will not live.

                      On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
                      “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
                      He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
                      “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

                      Luke 10:25-28 (NIV2011)

                      Sin is a trespass against the law that God knows all constructive life in relationship depends on, especially relationship in and of God. It is a myth that Eve and Adam sinned against the Father by eating fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They did not eat from the tree of life, so they were certainly going to die anyway, as all life in this universe dies. Only life in the Spirit does not die. No parent who loves their children wants them to not know and be responsible to the knowledge of good (constructive to relational life) and evil (destructive to relational life). All life to continue requires that in everything each does to each other first as they would have the other do to them first, measured as they love themselves.

                      By your fruit you are not fed by the vine rooted in Christ. The spirit of God, who so loves the world, does not live in you. How do I know so certainly?

                      You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood. Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

                      1 John 4:4-12 (NIV2011)

                      I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.

                      I hope, for the sake of your potential immortal soul you have read and considered all of this. You are loved!!!

                    4. You wrote:
                      I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.

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                      Herm, you are either lying or insane.

                      I go with lying.

                      You a sanctimonious fraud, Herm.

                    5. You wrote:
                      I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.
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                      You are a brazen liar Herm. You are a sinner Herm. You sin Herm, You have sinned Him. You will sin Herm. You are a sanctimonious fraud, Herm.

                      You have not, and you do not do, what you just said that you do – I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.

                    6. As you do not have the one Teacher, from whom all disciples and apostles of the Messiah do learn, by whose, or what, authority do you judge my relationship of God?

                    7. As you do not have the one Teacher, from whom all disciples and apostles of the Messiah do learn, by whose, or what, authority do you judge my relationship of God?

                    8. You are spiritually dead, SINLESS Herm. You actually wrote the following on Good Friday, the day Jesus Christ died on the cross for YOUR sins. You actually wrote the greatest LIE I have ever seen:

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

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                      You are so full of yourself, SINLESS Herm.

                    9. On “Good Friday” were you so obsessed with my claim as a child of God that you, too, judged me worthy of death?

                      Matthew 26:65-66 (NIV2011)

                      Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” “He is worthy of death,” they answered.

                      What is your definition of “sin”? Would this suffice: an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law?

                      I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.

                    10. “On “Good Friday” were you so obsessed with my claim as a child of God that you, too, judged me worthy of death?
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                      No, but since you brought your false or deluded claim up, You are worthy of death according to the Bible, the word of God, the Scriptures.

                      You SINLESS Herm, actually wrote the most egregious lie I have ever seen from a person who does claim that he is a child of God, and You are going face that lie, time and time again, from me. You wrote:

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                      Now, what you don’t understand is that no mere mortal person has ever keep that command of God. God gave the law to show us that we can’t keep it, and you are no exception.

                      You see, SINLESS Herm, the law brings death. You and I, and everybody else who try to keep the law are worthy of death simply because no mortal man has ever keep it,

                      But you SINLESS Herm come along and claim that you have! I venture to say that not even your mentor Keith Giles ever made such an outright stupid, even wicked, claim.

                      In your demented mind, you don’t need a Savior, because you are sinless. That lie from hell of yours just continually boggles my mind.

                    11. darel, what is your definition of “sin”. Why are you so obsessed with the sin of others? Would you have others obsess over your sins, threaten you with death because it seems that you cannot possibly live up to the sum of the Law and the Prophets, and, without any evidence submitted, call you a liar?

                      What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

                      But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
                      Romans 6:15-18 (NIV2011)

                      I am obedient to the sum of the Law and the Prophets and obey Jesus’ command that all the Law and Prophets hang on. You find that statement of truth a “sin” subject to death. Apparently, you are under the law as a slave to sin. I am forever a slave to righteousness. We know whose teaching claims your allegiance and it isn’t Jesus’ and the Spirit of truth’s.

                      You are really a helpless captive of your church’s dogma, doctrine and theologians. Jesus’ church has none of those.

                    12. Herm wrote:
                      darel, what is your definition of “sin”
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                      You SINLESS Herm, actually wrote the most egregious lie I have ever seen from a person who claims that he is a child of God, and You are going face that lie, time and time again, from me. You wrote:

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                      SINLESS Herm, whatever your definition of sin is it certainly isn’t up to Bible standards. You have lied to me at least half dozen times since you said you blocked me. I told you shortly after you said that you blocked me that your were lying, and that you were so arrogant that you would keep reading my comments and you have proved me right.

                    13. You have no definition of sin! … and yet you’re a slave to sin.

                      darel, the truth would set you free!

                      Your repetitious accusations are hollow!

                    14. SINLESS Herm, it’s obvious that lying doesn’t fit YOUR definition of sin. I previously noted that you have lied to me many times. Now, lying is a sin, according to the Bible, the Scriptures, the word of God. My guess is that you don’t consider lying sin. And since you deny that the Bible is the word of God, I can see how you can come to that conclusion. That could also explain why you don’t deem Homosexuality sin either. In fact you don’t even see yourself as a sinner. You actually claimed that when you said:

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                    15. darel, history records the results of mankind’s senseless acts from “Christian” slaves to sin; witch hunts, scarlet letters, Crusades, slavery, shunning, and so many more violations to the Law and the Prophets. For disciples of Christ this ended with his crown of thorns and children screaming repetitiously ,”crucify him, crucify him”! Oh, how far you’ve strayed from Jesus’ flock! Happy Easter!

                    16. Sinless Herm, you are not in the flock. You are a false teacher as well as an habitual liar. You keep reading my comments and responding to my comments after saying that you blocked me.

                      But your greater lie by far is this statement of yours:

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                    17. darel, darel, darel, by the spirit of your father [John 8:44] our Father, unless you humbly reproach yourself from the results of your allegiance, will have no better choice, not out of punishment for your ignorant judgments but out love for his eternal own, but to abort you from the womb of his creation, this earth [Luke 6:37-42].

                      “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. …”

                    18. SINLESS Herm, your father inspired your lie from hell:

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                    19. Except you have said we should allow abortion under your “do nothing…” exception. So when you said, “I am obedient to the sum of the Law and the Prophets and obey Jesus’ command that all the Law and Prophets hang on” you did not mean it.

                    20. Pro-choice is empathy for others as I would have others have empathy for me. You and darel have nothing, nothing, to support your repetitive arguments except the peer group pressure from your worldly orthodox church family.

                      You deflect away from you and darel being obsessive slaves to sin, to your pet godless sense of worth, petty defenders of the unborn over the choice of the mother. You guys really stick your nose in where the bible counsels you to stay away!!!

                    21. You are spiritually dead, SINLESS Herm. You actually wrote the following on Good Friday, the day Jesus Christ died on the cross for YOUR sins. You actually wrote the greatest LIE I have ever seen:

                      “I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.”

                    22. It is you who claims no relationship with the Spirit of truth (spiritually dead?). It is you who is obsessed with “sin” (a slave to sin?). It is you who denies the words of your Bible, that you worship as the only “word of God” available to you.

                      What makes, what I said, a “LIE”?

                1. Fortunately, the Spirit of truth doesn’t censor any sharing from those who sincerely seek, knock and ask! Though, it is true that he will not share what we are not prepared to bear.

          1. Thanks for doing for me all you know to do. Yes, someone happened to me, who, sadly, you are blind to. The Spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit, happened to me just as it was written could happen outside orthodox religion 1,950 years ago. Read your Christian Bible! Happy Sabbath!

          2. Herm said:

            I do love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my strength, with all my mind, and like that, I love my merciful neighbor as myself, as I do my enemy. For my love of this entire world I have put down my sword and picked up my cross. I invite you to do the same.
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            What say you?

              1. Bob leans to thinking that you are just mentally ill. He may be right. I see you having such a rebellious and hard heart that you actually believe that you are sinless, and are some great spiritual leader. You do have one consistent follower or perhaps worshiper, a otrotierra

                1. John 8:31-47 (NIV2011)

                  To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
                  They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
                  Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.”
                  “Abraham is our father,” they answered.
                  “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did. As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. You are doing the works of your own father.”
                  “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
                  Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

                  You are a slave to sin! You are not holding to Jesus’ teaching because you do not listen to Jesus. You don’t see him, to know him, to accept him.

          3. Thanks for doing for me all you know to do. Yes, someone happened to me, who, sadly, you are blind to. The Spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit, happened to me just as it was written could happen outside orthodox religion 1,950 years ago. Read your Christian Bible! Happy Sabbath!

  11. I recommend every Christian check out the American Solidarity Party. It checks virtually every box that Christians on the right and the left say are most important to them.

    https://solidarity-party.org/

    If our witness is being tested as Mr. Corey says it is, we should not be content to choose between the lesser of two evils.

    1. John 16:12 (NIV2011)

      I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.

      Matthew 27:21-24 (NIV2011)

      “Which of the two do you want me to release to you?” asked the governor. “Barabbas,” they answered.

      “What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called the Messiah?” Pilate asked. They all answered, “Crucify him!”

      “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”

      When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”

      Jesus, and the Father of God, left the high priest of the most God fearing people in the country Caiaphas, and the Roman Governor, in office by the vote of the people. Those voters could not bear to accept God’s nurture offered with and in the Spirit of truth.

      As much as I agree with most of the platform for the American Solidarity Party, due to the prevailing spirit in this nation the people cannot bear to pursue a “more” perfect union on the following premise:

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men [and women] are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

      Brian Carroll has no hope of being elected president, and if he were, he would not have congressional support, no matter how adept a statesman he is.

      How about we elect the greater of two goods with the most chance of actually improving mankind as a whole?

      Good defined as constructive. Evil defined as destructive.

      1. Hey Herm…

        I don’t buy into the “it’s a binary choice” theory. Folks on the right and left tell me that by not voting for their preferred major party candidate it essentially means I’m supporting the other guy/gal. That’s nonsense.

        If we’re to be judged by non-Christians based on who we vote for (which I think is a lame, superficial standard), then I’m going to vote for the person that best reflects my views and what I think the Christian position on various policy issues should be, not settle for something less just because that candidate has a better chance of winning.

        1. Sam, it’s your vote, do with it as your heart and mind move you. The point, and I’m sure you heard it, if one of the candidates in the running will clearly, as judged by your educated, discerning and experienced heart and mind, destroy any and all voting from now on (time is of the essence) and the other will “most likely” protect your vote for next time (and no more), do you then do a write in vote for Jesus as your Lord?

          1. Herm…are you saying that this is what’s at stake in this upcoming election (one candidate is proposing to destroy all voting) or proposing a hypothetical for the sake of discussion?

            1. Sam, I am saying that your vote counts. Let your heart and mind be the judge whether this is the last chance for allowing it to be cast or not.

              1 John 4:6 (NIV2011)

              We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

                1. I’m not really, I simply don’t find happiness in watching others hurt. The first part of loving my neighbors as myself is to be empathetic with my neighbors.

                  This is real , not a delusion, and democracies, though still experimental and many already gone, are dependent upon making constructive choices, for the whole, not for a few.

                  Paranoia is characterized “by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system”.

                  1933

                  Hitler then obtained the necessary supermajority by persuading the Catholic Centre Party to vote with him with regard to the Reichskonkordat. The bill was passed on 23 March with 444 votes for and 94 against.

                  There is a strange, pseudo confidence builder going around that goes something like this for differing situations:

                  * I’m a survivor!
                  * The democracy of the USA will survive!
                  * God stand protects the USA
                  * …

                  I’m a Vietnam survivor and grieve too many who weren’t for fighting a bad war based on lies. I am only a survivor until I am not. The democracy of the USA will only be until it’s not. My Father “causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous”, equally.

                  Reality, as versus delusion, is consequential to every action an inaction. Human beings have the responsible capacity of awareness to direct, or redirect, their influence for more good (constructive) or more evil (destructive). We ate of that fruit and each mature to be responsible to that knowledge. A single vote in the USA is an influence each citizen over 18 is has the responsibility to wield for good or evil, as their heart and mind discerns is best, not perfect, but best.

            2. Yes he is saying that a re-elected President Trump will become a Dictator and cancel our representative democracy. He gets his information from Fake News and believes it. Why anyone would not understand that these slurs are simply the Left trying to avoid a Trump re-election is unimaginable to me. But some people are so invested in his destruction that they cannot think straight.

              1. 1 John 4:6 (NIV2011)

                We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

                You don’t know the Spirit of truth. You celebrate the king of the spirit of falsehood.

                Azar appears to walk back Trump’s comments at CDC that “anyone who wants a test can get a test” and that they are “perfect” … because those comments were ignorant lies from the father figure of our nation.

                President Donald Trump on Monday blamed what he called Saudi Arabia and Russia’s argument over oil prices CLJ20, -20.300%, plus “fake news” over the coronavirus for steep stock-market DJIA, -7.237% SPX, -6.959% losses.

                Everything that is verified as truth but disagrees with Trump’s lies is “Fake News”, including the coronavirus.

                We think, feel and act straight because we know there is not a “deep state” “coup” in force that justifies our whole “Intelligence” apparatus be dismantled, along with the CDC (not just Trump to blame on that one), the Consumer Protection Department, the FDA, the Environmental Protection Agency, and much, much deeper…

                You are blind! Do you really know why the global “Market” is tanking today, with nothing but to momentarily stop trading all together to moderate the fall?

                1. Are you watching the market today?
                  What has President Trump to do with the virus but try to help our people by taking appropriate actions with all our resources from the CDC and every other emergency agency? When he stopped flights from certain countries he was called racist by the demonic CNN lemmings.

                  1. You’re flying blind Bob. There are not enough tests for everyone as President Trump said there was.

                    1 John 4:6 (NIV2011)

                    We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

                    You don’t recognize the Spirit of truth, but you do follow the spirit of falsehood. We try to help you through your handicap of blindness to mitigate the damage cause by your spirit having gone viral.

                    1. Really. We are in the hands of the CDC and NIC. All a President can do is manage the situation. You have no one to blame but the media for fanning the flames of panic in this case. Better to listen to the head of the CDC rather than the nutcases on CNN…

                    2. It was the “nutcase” who broadcast to the nation that anyone could get a coronavirus test if they wanted one!!!

                      … deaf and blind ???

                    3. As usual you just makes things up based on your hatred of our President.

                      “In the wake of an increasing number of new coronavirus infections in the U.S., federal officials have provided confusing and sometimes contradictory statements about the number and availability of tests to diagnose the new respiratory illness.

                      President Donald Trump claimed on March 6 that anyone who “wants a test can get a test,” while Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar said in a television interview the same day that there “is no testing kit shortage, nor has there ever been.”

                      Contrary to both men, we were told by the Association of Public Health Laboratories on March 9 that although things had improved since a week ago, “demand for testing is greater than the tests available.”

                      At the same time, at least one Democrat has exaggerated the problems.

                      Former Vice President Joe Biden said on March 1 that the Trump administration didn’t “even have a test kit” for the new coronavirus. That’s not true. While the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is widely viewed to have bungled the rollout of its viral test kits, there was a test kit at the time, and it had been successfully used by the agency and some states.”

                    4. Bob, there is still, not even close, test kits for everyone who wishes, even by doctors orders, to be tested. The USA hasn’t even tested 10,000 of its 352 million citizens when South Korea is testing over 10,000 of its 52 million citizens every day. You believe every misrepresentation and lie that comes out of this administration, shame on you! This is only the beginning and we have no idea how many are infected today in the USA. So much for mitigation!

                    5. Hey Bob… Remember when Trump said he had it all under control and deaths would be 0.

                      Its weird that when countries were locking down, the US was carrying on like normal.

                    6. You know what’s funny watching US politics from afar.

                      Dumb idiots who think the Democrats are leftists when they rejected one of the few ‘left’ policies which Conservative governments in most of the world take for granted eg Australia, Great Britain. Sleepy Joe and the Dems are right wing neoliberal centrists.

                      The Republicans in most other countries would be the far right lunatic fringe.

                    7. Amazing how it’s always someone else’s fault Bob.

                      In the war president Truman had a sign, ‘the buck stops here!’.

                      The only nutcase I hear is the one who said he had it all under control and deaths would be 0, then later saying it will be 200 000 dead.

                    8. I watched the completely one sided video you attached. It attempts to exonerate the Obama Administration for the lack of preparedness Trump inherited and blame the Trump Administration for its response. It is one-sided and agenda driven as is its founding organization.

                      “NowThis News is a progressive,[1][2] social media-focused, youth-oriented news organization started in 2012.[3][4][5]
                      NowThis News was founded by Huffington Post co-founder and former chairman Kenneth Lerer and former Huffington Post CEO Eric Hippeau. The company was started in September 2012.[6]”

                    9. The NY Times story appears to be what the Huff Post article was based on but I won’t register to read it. I was able to copy this headline. The NY Times is phony.
                      “The Racism at the Heart of Trump’s ‘Travel Ban’
                      Adding Nigeria to the expanded list of excluded countries just makes it more obvious.”

                  2. What appropriate actions were they Bob?

                    South Korea and the USA had their first covid-19 case at the same time.

                    The difference being South Korea took it seriously. Trump didn’t.

                    Did trump have it under control like he said?

              2. Trump’s doing a pretty good job of literally killing the USA.

                Is Fox News still saying its just a flu and nothing to worry about?

        2. The presidential election comes down to a binary choice, because as it stands, third parties don’t have a chance. However, I agree that the simplistic adversarial interpretation of our vote is unwarranted. I also think we cannot be single issue voters because we have seen over the last few decades that the GOP has no intention of ever resolving their most dependable single issue.

      2. Ah! Caiaphas again. Time we learned a little about him:

        Joseph ben Caiaphas, known simply as Caiaphas in the New Testament, was the Jewish high priest who, according to the gospels, organized a plot to kill Jesus. He famously presided over the Sanhedrin trial of Jesus.

        Notice the similarity between Caiaphas, 2000 years ago, and Hillary Clinton; the Sanhedrin and the Democrat Party. I see no difference in their objectives really or in the outcome. Both failed and if there were a He** they all belong there.

        1. Bob, you are way out of your league. Between the general election candidates in 2015 there is only one who has been found guilty of fraud, both about his fund and his university, and it wasn’t Secretary Clinton.

          At least you found a synopsis of the high priest Caiaphas, the brother of Annas, also, high priest, both Sadducee, not Pharisee.

          Caiaphas succeeded, not failed, in branding the Son of God as a blasphemer leading to the Son of God being crucified in the name of God. I see much more similarity between you and he than he and Secretary Clinton.

          One thing is for certain, Mrs. Clinton is not a crook and was a very capable leader, quite the opposite of Trump.

          Why can’t you spell “Hell”, does someone’s retribution scare you? … your church? … your god of wrath?

  12. Mr. Corey writes today – But here’s a funny thing: Jesus actually tells us what the final judgement will be like, and tells us what those heaven or hell issues are.

    However, on October 31, 2017, Mr. Corey wrote – I no longer believe in this concept of hell– I simply cannot reconcile it with a God who is in essence, “love.”

    Has Mr. Corey changed his mind about the hell Jesus spoke of?

    1. I have long been known to be an annihilationist. I have said I am a hopeful universalist, but even in the framework of Christian universalism there is also a concept of hell and punishment– it’s just temporary and restorative in nature.

      1. You differ with Jesus and the overwhelming majority of Christians.

        Jesus spoke of hell, a place of real everlasting torment, for those who refuse to accept Him as Lord and savior, for their sins against God.

        Jesus in Mathew 13:49-50 said – 49 So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

        Everyone knows that fire is torment. There is torment in hell, so Anihilation is impossible. “In that place” there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Anihlation would not allow “weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

        1. I am in agreement with Ben on this one. The Christian view of heaven and hell is not biblical but just Christian.
          Man for the most part will all be in the Kingdom of God which starts on this earth and spreads throughout the universe.
          The fallen Angels will be destroyed with Satan.
          There is no hell in the Plan of God for Man.

          1. But what do the Scriptures say? What does Jesus say? Who, are what is your authority?

            I used Scripture, you made no attempt to refute me.

            1. You misinterpreted the only scripture you quoted.
              “Everyone knows that fire is torment. There is torment in hell, so Anihilation is impossible.”
              You show no scriptures to support your commentary.
              If you do I will:
              You link Fire to Torment to no Annihilation. What scripture support these conclusions please?

              1. But I did.

                Here again the passage I cited – Jesus in Mathew 13:49-50 said – 49 So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

                If you no longer exist (annihilated) then you don’t have feelings, you are not tormented by fire. Furthermore, how can you weep and gnash your teeth, if you don’t exist?

                Please read again, the words of Jesus, the passage of Scripture I cited.

                1. I know that scripture well. Here is the background:

                  1. Christianity believes at death the soul is judged.
                  2. If they are judged good they go to Heaven to be with God if not they go to Hell to be with Satan. I’m not sure if Purgatory is still a Christian belief.
                  3. To be with either God or Satan you must be spirit as God is Spirit and not flesh

                  So what could that scripture be talking about regarding weeping and gnashing?

                  Let’s see if you agree with the above points 1 to 3 before I proceed. If not explain your differences please.

                  1. Sorry, but I’m not getting off the course of hell for the unbeliever, the unrighteous, who has rejected Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and go off into the weeds of where Christians go. Heaven is not the subject here.

                    So, please tell me what Jesus meant when He said that the unrighteous will be thrown into a lake of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth of the unrighteous, in that place.

                    Jesus spoke of hell more than anyone else in Scripture. It is the place of torment for those who have rejected the Salvation that He offered to all mankind. Jesus cannot lie! Hell is real, Jesus said so.

                    1. Ok. You asked for it. But you won’t like it because all those people you believe should go to Hell won’t be there.
                      People who reject Jesus and people who never knew Jesus all die and their bodies go into the grave while their spirit goes back to God who is in heaven awaiting the First Resurrection spoken of in Ezekiel. At that resurrection they are raised with a physical body to a physical life where their minds will be opened and they will have their first chance to accept Jesus.This group is extremely large, about 15 billion people. I believe most will accept Jesus and enter the Kingdom.
                      But there will be some who refuse and those poor souls will be raised again in the Second Resurrection spoken of in John 5:29 . This group is the group you refer to as they await their fate in front of the Lake of Fire Rev. 20-14. They know they will be destroyed and remembered no more. This is why there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
                      While you may never have heard this or perhaps heard of it as “second chance” it is my belief.

                    2. I don’t know anything about your organization. Based on what you have said so far I strongly suspect that you are in a cult. Cult leaders are all false teachers and will surely spend eternity in hell.

                    3. It is obvious from this answer that you are insecure in your faith. If you cannot defend a major component of your faith, Hell, then you do not understand your faith. So you are the follower and may well be in a cult yourself.

                      Prove me wrong and answer the questions I posed instead of deflecting.

                    4. I have been defending the Biblical doctrine of hell all along. It is you who has deflected. You have yet to refute me. I refute you and you jump to something else. I use Scripture, even the words of Jesus, you use your own reasoning.

                      Your beliefs seem to be gotten from a Fred R Coulter who started his own faith and wrote his own Bible. He once was associated with Herbert Armstrong. You are following a cult leader.

                    5. I attend a non-denominational church. My past has been Baptist.

                      I have always been a member of churches that preach the Bible, that preach the doctrines of Scripture, and not the doctrines of men.

                      We don’t accept Homosexuals, atheists, perverts, fornicators and those who reject sound doctrine as members, and certainly not anyone like Herm, who denies that the Bible is the word of God. These don’t even want to be around the preaching of God’s word, so they are really not a problem in our church.

                    6. Thank you. I understand Baptist. We do not disagree on much but certainly the Sabbath.
                      The Christian Biblical Church of God is not a cult rather a Bible (NT and OT) based church.
                      When my Baptist neighbor explained to me in 1984 that I as a former Catholic did not understand the bible because Catholics don’t really read the bible I decided to find out if what she said was true. The Worldwide Church of God had the materials that helped me to read and understand the bible for the first time. It was remarkable to me how little I knew about anything biblical after 12 years of a Catholic education.
                      Herm is a special case, unlike the atheists and progressives, who needs help.

                    7. “Thank you. I understand Baptist. We do not disagree on much but certainly the Sabbath.’

                      What Sabbath are you talking about? Sabbath can mean Saturday, or Sunday and/or the regulations that go with it?

                      I seriously doubt that you are observing the Sabbath of the Bible.

                      Also, Christians deem the World Wide of Church of God a cult

                    8. Oh, but I did observe the “Lord’s Day” and the “Sabbath of the Bible” as an official under the umbrella of both Christian authorities. I have been sprinkled, immersed, and ordained by both Christian observers of Holy Days. I know where you are at, and who you are, as does Jesus, the Christ, today, because we’ve been there.

                      It is you, as spoken of in your Bible, who does not know the Spirit of truth living with and in you forever. Only Jesus, the Messiah with ALL authority in heaven and on earth today, who can baptize (immerse, whelm, fill) you in the Spirit. Only our heavenly Father can protect you from evil by offering you the opportunity to carry your own cross in love for this world. Good luck, we wish you well, darel.

                    9. You have hardened your heart.

                      You refuse to see your blasphemy.

                      You are not a Christian.

                      You made it known when you wrote:
                      Herm darel • 5 days ago • edited
                      The Bible isn’t the word of God, it is a testimony of mankind’s relationship with God as each author could bear.

                    10. John 14:17-18 (NIV2011)

                      the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

                      I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

                      You refuse to see the Spirit of truth!

                      Use the Bible!!!

                    11. Herm, read the Bible, the word of God. If you sincerely seek God, he will convict your hard heart.

                      You are not a Christian.

                      You wrote:

                      The Bible isn’t the word of God, it is a testimony of mankind’s relationship with God as each author could bear.

                    12. Herm, read the Bible, the word of God.

                      darel, I’ve used reference after reference from the Bible, which I do respect, and it is you who cannot refute those references. Your words are hollow.

                      You cannot answer, via Bible reference, any of my questions. You aren’t even nearly equipped to be able to debate scripture as were the Pharisees Jesus debated.

                    13. Herm read the Bible, the word of God that you reject:

                      Herm darel • 5 days ago • edited
                      The Bible isn’t the word of God, it is a testimony of mankind’s relationship with God as each author could bear.

                    14. Is your reading comprehension that low that you cannot take the bait? If you can use scripture, your Bible, to substantiate your judgment then do so. Don’t let all those who might be lurking see how limited your self-imposed arguments are. Repetition does not make anything so.

                    15. Believe the word of God Herm.

                      Herm darel • 5 days ago • edited
                      The Bible isn’t the word of God, it is a testimony of mankind’s relationship with God as each author could bear.

                    16. I will silently carry my cross for you! You have shown me no place in the Bible, much less from your blind and hardened heart and mind of spirit (the image of God), where the Bible even anoints itself as the word of God. And you have the nerve of Caiaphas to judge me as blasphemous. bye for now

                    17. Fun fact: the pharisees believed the Bible to be the Word of God too.

                      Thats why they killed Jesus.

                      As Jesus pointed out, religion based on laws and doctrine lead to death.

                    18. Why have you hardened your heart?

                      Why is doctrine and ideology more important than people?

                      Fun fact: Jesus wasn’t a Christian either.

                    19. The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week still clearly seen on any calendar. Sabbath can never mean Sunday.
                      Catholics deem Protestants heretics as well. That does not carry any real weight does it?

                    20. Churches of God all follow a traditional pattern.
                      A church service is a formalized period of Christian communal worship. It occurs on Saturday.The church service is the gathering together of Christians to be taught the ‘Word of God’ (the Christian Bible) and encouraged in their faith.

                    21. You brought up the Sabbath. Sabbath can mean so many things to so many people. That’s why I asked for details.

                      You say you worship on Saturday. Fine. However, the vast majority of Christians hold worship services on Sunday. The Bible, the word of God, nowhere commands that Christians meet and worship on Saturday. Your practice of corporate worship on Saturday meets no standard set by God. Nor does worship by Christians on Sunday amount to any disobedience. Your church is free to meet, and hold worship services 7 days a week if you so desire.

                      You have no grounds to judge or fault Christians as wrongdoers for meeting and holding worship services on Sunday.

                    22. Really. I would suggest you asked for details to argue with me. I judge no one on the Sabbath.
                      The fact that the Sabbath was ordained from the foundation of this world is clearly stated in the bible. Gen. 2: 2-3
                      The fact that the Sabbath is still known correctly from the current calendar is due to the “oracles” Rom. 3:2
                      The fact that Catholicism changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday is best described in the article by Cardinal Gibbons ROME’S CHALLENGE
                      “Why Do Protestants Keep Sunday” This is stated without attendant obfuscation and cannot be denied.

                      Our great country has Freedom of Religion and that means you can worship any way, any day you please.
                      Whether that is the correct day, because ” the vast majority of Christians hold worship services on Sunday” is another question.

                    23. Bob, Genesis 2:2-3 has nothing to do with Christian worship, or any worship. Those verses simply state that God rested (ceased) from His work of creation.

                      Christians met and worshiped on Sunday long before somebody came up with the idea of Catholicism. Nowhere in the New Testament is worship commanded for Christians on Saturday. Nowhere in Scripture is it mentioned that Christians met for fellowship and worship on Saturday. In the New Testament, Christians always met for fellowship and worship on the first day of the week, which is Sunday.

                      Christians worship on Sunday to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

                      Do a google search Bob, and you will see that I’m correct.
                      Catholocism is rife with errors, flee from them.

                    24. Genesis explains what the Sabbath is for the uninformed.
                      Christians never met on Sunday as the Day of Worship in the NT or the OT and you would know this if you bothered to read Rome’s Challenge. But as they say you can lead a horse to water….There is no biblical support for Sunday worship in any shape or form.
                      Read Rome’s Challenge to Protestantism before you reply with some lame internet claim.
                      Meeting to worship on Sunday is a choice but it is not biblical – it has been directed by the Catholic Church.
                      Catholicism and Protestantism are both rife with errors.

                    25. You wrote “Genesis explains what the Sabbath is for the uninformed.”

                      Bob, you gave me Genesis 2:2-3 which did not prescribe worship on that day for anybody, most notably Christians. Are you trying to deceive?

                      Bob, you wrote “Christians never met on Sunday as the Day of Worship in the NT or the OT and you would know this if you bothered to read Rome’s Challenge.”

                      Oh, but they did, Bob. Christians did meet on Sunday in the New Testament:
                      “And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight,” (Acts 20:7).
                      “1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come,” (1 Cor. 16:1-2).

                      Bob, you wrote: “There is no biblical support for Sunday worship in any shape or form.” Wrong Bob, as noted above.

                      “Read Rome’s Challenge to Protestantism before you reply with some lame internet claim.”
                      Rome has no hold or authority on me, Bob. Flee Catholicism Bob, they are rife with error.

                      There is no command for Christians to meet and worship on Saturday, in the Bible, Bob. Christians are free to worship 7 days a week if they want to, but there is no command regarding a certain day.

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                    26. Bob, I forgot to include the verse below in my last response to you.

                      On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. Acts 20:7

                      Sunday is the first day of the week. As I said before Christians met and worship on Sunday. This has been the case since the inception of Christianity. The Catholic church had nothing to do with it. You need to get away from Catholic doctrine, they are rife with errors.

                      You are free to meet and worship on Saturday, just don’t feel that yours is the correct day and Sunday is not. The vast majority of Christians have always held worship services on Sunday, the Lord’s day, in celebration of His resurrection.

                    27. darel, you sadden me! I grieve for you, Bob and those you mislead wielding the fear of God’s wrath in place of the love of God.

                      Even as a little child, I know the Bible so much better than you, only because I have a better Teacher who shares as much as I can bear to know.

                      1 John 4:4-6 (NIV2011)

                      You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

                      Luke 18:9-14 — You thank God you are not like other people “Homosexuals, atheists, perverts, fornicators and those who reject sound doctrine“. The Pharisees, the high priests Annas and Caiaphas (who sentenced the Son of God to death in the name of God), and the teachers of the law (scribes) all taught and enforced “sound doctrine

                      Are you better trained in scripture than they? Are you even more versed in the reality of the Bible than I or Ben as seminary trained, college educated, pulpit speaking, hands on healing ministers of God’s love?

                      You are so assured, out here trying to proselytize your non-denominational church and/or Bob’s Christian Biblical Church of God to those of us from God, that you can’t see that you don’t know God any further than you are taught what the Bible says. You can’t hear that all we are sharing is that the really GREAT NEWS is that God can teach you all you ever need to know directly without any physical walled churches, doctrines, dogmas, rituals, chants, rabbis, preachers, Pharisees, Sadducee, teachers of the law, Internets, radios, televisions and without any books. You don’t know God is real, in your midst and grieves for you.

                      Relative to the gnashing of teeth found in Matthew 8:10-12, 13:47-50 and Luke 13:28 you might consider that such was from those who survived in grief for those whose awareness and influence was cleansed forever from all other life

                      Ben, long ago, wrote much relative to hell, which can be found via the “Post Archives” above. This came from one such article:

                      Hell – γέεννα (Gehenna) The Valley of the Son of Hinnom

                      …was the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem; this was the place where both garbage and dead bodies would be discarded and consumed by a fire that was likely always burning.

                      https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/what-jesus-talked-about-when-he-talked-about-hell/

                    28. Herm, you are not a Christian!!!

                      Somebody needs to tell you that, so, it might as well be me.

                      You made it known when you wrote:

                      Herm darel • 5 days ago • edited
                      The Bible isn’t the word of God, it is a testimony of mankind’s relationship with God as each author could bear.

                    29. By whose authority do you declare that the Bible, where there is no longer any autographed copy anywhere known to Man, is the “word of God”?

                      Are all “Christians” children of God?

                      Was it not God’s chosen authorities of God who had the self confidence to crucify God’s Son in God’s name?

                      I don’t give a damn whether you, or your non-denominational church declares me a non-member! You won’t allow “Homosexuals, atheists, perverts, fornicators and those who reject sound doctrine” and Tax Collectors to be in your select group of inspired interpreters of Bible truth. No child of God, sibling of the Christ, would presume to judge another for membership in Jesus’ church because they all know the one Judge, for all things eternal, in them and they in him.

                      Now, if you would like to actually study what the Bible actually says, what the Gospel truth is, I can do that with you, just as much as you can bear. More importantly for you, I can introduce you to whom Jesus pointed, throughout in Gospel quotes, to as the one Source for the real live word of God. I am only a very young child student with and in God, their child. The “River of Life”; John 4:14, Revelation 21:6, 22:1, 17.

                      As it is today your judgement and condemnation hold no more truth than did Caiaphas’ judgment and condemnation. Both of you derive your awareness of God from scripture and not at all from a one in one relationship with God. Neither of you can, in the moments of each of your edicts, recognize the Spirit of truth being demeaned before you.

                      You are loved and welcomed exactly as you are today, whether or not you ever enter the kingdom of heaven. The God of creation, protection, providing, teaching, and all love, the Messiah’s God, in whose image is made ion Man, could not torture even the worst, most evil, of their enemies forever. Your faith in blindness, if left to continue until your physical body goes back to its elements, will die to no longer be aware or influential. We will grieve our loss! You are loved even in your destructive behavior.

                    30. Herm, you are not a Christian!!!

                      You made it known when you wrote:

                      Herm darel • 5 days ago • edited
                      The Bible isn’t the word of God, it is a testimony of mankind’s relationship with God as each author could bear.

                    31. So????????? What is the penalty for that? What is the penalty for not being baptized in the Spirit of truth forever by Jesus, the Christ?

                      Please, answer with more than your self-ordained authority?

                      Use the testimony from the Bible if you wish to begin with.

                    32. So, you are not a Christian, that’s what.

                      You made it known when you wrote:
                      Herm darel • 5 days ago • edited
                      The Bible isn’t the word of God, it is a testimony of mankind’s relationship with God as each author could bear.

                    33. If the Bible is your full authority to judge me, then show me where I must be a “Christian”, or a member of any worldly administered religious order, to be an eternal child member of God today, please!!!

                      Otherwise, your authority is world based not God based. Who is your teacher and your lord?

                    34. If the Bible is your full authority to judge me, then show me where I must be a “Christian”, or a member of any worldly administered religious order, to be an eternal child member of God today, please!!!

                      Otherwise, your authority is world based not God based. Who is your teacher and your lord?

                    35. You refuse to see your blasphemy. You are not a Christian.

                      You made it known when you wrote:

                      Herm darel • 5 days ago • edited
                      The Bible isn’t the word of God, it is a testimony of mankind’s relationship with God as each author could bear.

                    36. Thank you darel, according to the Bible, you place me in good company. Do you judge me, also, “worthy of death”?

                      Matthew 26:62-68 (NIV2011)

                      Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?”

                      But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”

                      “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

                      Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy.

                      What do you think?” “He is worthy of death,” they answered.

                      Then they spit in his face and struck him with their fists. Others slapped him and said, “Prophesy to us, Messiah. Who hit you?”

                      Luke 14:27 (NIV2011)

                      And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

                      Do you carry your own cross?

                    37. Herm, if you hear God’s voice, harden not your heart.

                      You refuse to see your blasphemy.

                      You are not a Christian.

                      You made it known when you wrote:
                      Herm darel • 5 days ago • edited
                      The Bible isn’t the word of God, it is a testimony of mankind’s relationship with God as each author could bear.

                    38. You are not a Christian.

                      You made it known when you wrote:
                      Herm darel • 5 days ago • edited
                      The Bible isn’t the word of God, it is a testimony of mankind’s relationship with God as each author could bear.

                    39. You are beginning to see your problem. Turn your heart toward the Bible, the word of God, Herm

                      Herm darel • 5 days ago • edited
                      The Bible isn’t the word of God, it is a testimony of mankind’s relationship with God as each author could bear.

                    40. The word of God is in my heart, soul and mind, right now, as it is written in your Bible.

                      You are blind, even to what your Bible actually says and who it points to.

                      Do you have any references for the interpretations you are judging by?

                    41. Your words, yoiur blasphemy.

                      Herm darel • 5 days ago • edited
                      The Bible isn’t the word of God, it is a testimony of mankind’s relationship with God as each author could bear.

                    42. No, you agree with me.

                      You wrote:

                      Herm darel • 5 days ago • edited
                      The Bible isn’t the word of God, it is a testimony of mankind’s relationship with God as each author could bear.

                    43. NO, darel, I love you even with your handicaps, I don’t find your spirit of falsehood agreeable. In no way, do you, in everything, do to all others first as you would have all others do to you.

                    44. The golden rule is not a shield to be used against those who differ with your statements. What you often write is not in accord with the bible and we simply point it out to you.

                    45. Bob, the sum of all scripture was not used as a shield. If you and/or darel want others to judge and or condemn you each, especially for blasphemy founded on unsubstantiated falsehoods then continue to do what you have been doing for you are doing to others, in everything, what you would have others do to you.

                      As an example, of your unsubstantiated falsehoods, you just wrote: “ What you often write is not in accord with the bible and we simply point it out to you.

                      If what I wrote is not in accord with the Bible, where is it written in the Bible? You know, like where can it even be interpreted that the “golden rule” is not a shield to be used against those who disagree with my statements, or yours…or God’s?

                    46. So, he departed from them and gone elsewhere. Who knows where he goes next week or what he believes next week.

                    47. Well, he is not a member of any Christian church and that’s for sure. He is so arrogant and haughty that it is likely that the cults would not have him either.

                    48. Herm • 9 minutes ago
                      Did Jesus, the Son of God, refuse to see his blasphemy, also?
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                      Another egregious blasphemy from you!!!

                      That is appalling Herm. There seems to be no bounds to your wickedness.

                      Seriously, you need a time out. You may have reached the point of no return.

                    49. Christian originally meant “Christ like” and/or “little Christ”. You do not emulate Christ in any way. You are much more like a little Caiaphas or Annas who choose to crucify children of God by calling them blasphemous!

                    50. Yes! How would you answer the accusation of blasphemy?

                      The only one in the Gospels accused of blasphemy was Jesus, the Christ, found in the word “Christian”. When does Man learn that claiming to know God, solely by testimonial scripture alone, does not make you an authority sufficient to judge God, or children of God, in God’s name? Caiaphas knew scripture but didn’t recognize God in his midst.

                    51. Your church has no problem with liars and those who vote for liars and adulterers.

                      Hypocrites much?

                      When you get around to reading and understanding the Bible let me know.

                      Hell will freeze over before that happens.

                    52. …. did you know that there is only one organization of Jesus’ church, worshiping in the Spirit of truth?

                    53. Well, Bob, you’re at least learning the words that I’ve shared with you … hopefully, the meaning will shortly follow … Love you!

                    54. “They know they will be destroyed and remembered no more. This is why there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

                      But Jesus said – “in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” The weeping and gnashing of teeth goes on “in” that place. The wicked weep and gnash their teeth because they are in torment in that place of everlasting fire.

                    55. I would still suggest that it goes on while they are waiting their turn to be tossed into the pit.
                      But you could broaden your investigation into Hell to see if it holds up across all scriptures.
                      For example, Matthew 8:29
                      And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
                      The question is the time of what?
                      Why haven’t they already been cast into hell. Why are they in restraint on the earth?

                    56. “I would still suggest that it goes on while they are waiting their turn to be tossed into the pit.”

                      That may be so, but that is not the issue in Mathew 13:50.

                      Jesus said – “in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” The weeping and gnashing of teeth goes on “in” that place. The wicked weep and gnash their teeth because they are in torment in that place of everlasting fire.

                    57. I don’t follow what other point you are trying to make about hell.

                      However, note the word “torment” in the verse that you cited. There is torment in hell, that’s what hell is. Hell is torment.

                      Isn’t it your position that there is no torment in hell, that Jesus is just love, and therefor He would never allow such? Isn’t that a teaching of annihilationists?

                    58. No. My point is there is no Hell like Christianity believes.
                      Either you make it into the Kingdom or you are destroyed forever.
                      Love is for the Protestants.

                    59. Yes, I understand. You evidently are not no going to let the words of Jesus change your mind. You have bought the false doctrine that God would never allow anyone, even a Hitler, to suffer forever in hell.

                      You need to believe and trust the Scriptures, and not lean upon your own understanding, or fall for the cleaver words of false teachers.

                    60. “My point is there is no Hell like Christianity believes.”

                      You have rejected Christianity, so what are you? Mormon, Budhist, Muslim, New Age or what?

                    61. To be fair, he has not rejected Christianity. He has only rejected the modern Christian concept of hell which comes mostly from Dante.

                    62. To be fair, he has not rejected Christianity. He has only rejected the modern Christian concept of hell which comes mostly from Dante.

                    63. The Jews believed there were 3 Gates to Gehenna, one was in Jerusalem. It was also a Jewish belief that only the very evil went there for a period of less than a year.

                      Funny how it evolved, isn’t it?

                    64. Here is another scripture that mentions the thousand year period when the majority of humans are resurrected in the Great White Throne Resurrection. Satan will be prevented during this period from influencing humans so they can learn to live as Christians unlike today.
                      Revelation 20:1-3
                      (1) Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (2) He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; (3) and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

                    65. Why are you telling me all that?

                      I have given you just a couple of verses where Jesus spoke of hell, a real place of suffering and torment – Mathew 13:49-50. You made to attempt to refute me. Jesus spoke of hell more than anyone in Scripture.

                      I will try again to reason with you and convince you that hell is real.

                      Jesus, who is God, Jesus, who can not lie, Jesus who can not be wrong, said in Matthew 25:46- And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal KJV

                      The same Greek word is translated “everlasting” and “eternal” in this verse. Now, that means that the punishment is everlasting and that the life is everlasting. Now, you obviously can not say that the punishment is not everlasting but the life is everlasting.

          2. Hell, as Christians currently see it, came from Dante’s poem, The Inferno, not the Bible. Christians try to reconcile the fact that their view and the Biblical view are different by saying that everyone already has eternal life; it is just a matter of where you choose to spend it. However,that beggars the words of Jesus in John 3:16 where eternal life is clearly contrasted to perishing. Also

            Somebody finally mentioned that if Jesus mentioned hell, he was talking about Gehenna.
            “Hell – γέεννα (Gehenna) The Valley of the Son of Hinnom
            …was the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem; this was the place where both garbage and dead bodies would be discarded and consumed by a fire that was likely always burning.”

            In the time of Jesus, you could not start a fire by simply turning on the stove. It was not easy to start a fire until matches were invented about 600 AD. Once a fire was started, it was kept burning

  13. So you provide reasons that would stop you from voting for Trump and link them to your interpretation of Christianity but you fail to suggest an alternative. Let’s examine them now that the field is winnowed:
    1. Biden – shows all the signs of early dementia and would just be a puppet if elected.
    2. Bloomberg – has exactly the same profile as Trump which you abhor.
    3. Sanders – the socialist that even his own party doesn’t want.
    Who is the Christian that meets your criteria in this group please?

            1. Matthew 27:20-26 (NIV2011)

              But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed.

              “Which of the two do you want me to release to you?” asked the governor. “Barabbas,” they answered.

              “What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called the Messiah?” Pilate asked. They all answered, “Crucify him!”

              “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”

              When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”

              All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!”

              Then he released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.

              Jesus’ opinion was not widely shared even among the Jewish nation. His relationship with God was no more an “opinion” than is my relationship with God. I do carry my cross for you Bob, as did Jesus for Caiaphas, the majority of his church, and for all of mankind.

            2. Matthew 27:20-26 (NIV2011)

              But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed.

              “Which of the two do you want me to release to you?” asked the governor. “Barabbas,” they answered.

              “What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called the Messiah?” Pilate asked. They all answered, “Crucify him!”

              “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”

              When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”

              All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!”

              Then he released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.

              Jesus’ opinion was not widely shared even among the Jewish nation. His relationship with God was no more an “opinion” than is my relationship with God. I do carry my cross for you Bob, as did Jesus for Caiaphas, the majority of his church, and for all of mankind.

          1. Herm…. you rally ought to consider maybe you are after a god of your own making…..Bob is far kinder than many I have seen on this silly web site

            1. Everett, thank you for your concern. Why are you spending any time “on this silly web site“?

              John 1:12-13 (NIV2011)

              Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

              John 3:5-8 (NIV2011)

              Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

              Matthew 12:50 (NIV2011)

              For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

              No, I am not “after a god of my own making“. I am no more and no less than a little child of God, born of, filled with and in (baptized) the Spirit of truth, as I grow to bear, by Jesus, the Christ.

              If it is unkind to tell an other the truth, as I would have all others do to me, then I will remain unkind in your eyes, for I will not lie as though my familial relationship in God is founded on an interpretation.

              Everett, I don’t know your relationship with your family born of water, but how kind are you when you allow others to insist that your relationship with them is no more true than one of a thousand worldly interpretations of Christianity’s religious?

              I have more than infinity’s worth of truth yet to learn, especially beyond the truth I now know for certain in God (by any name). I welcome any questions, even most statements, from all who are not proselytizing to satisfy their “church”, but only as long as they know I am not proselytizing my relationship as a child of God. I serve no church of this world. I will respond to each in love, as I love myself, with the truth as best I know.

              Why does your support for Bob Shiloh react to push him away? You wrote, “I am amazed at your persistence on this site! I think you should consider “shaking the dust off your feet”!!

              Do you know what it is to be a child of God? …. really?

          1. I do not believe any of the biblical principles you discuss are flawed. On the contrary. But I would point out that America today is the most generous country in the world. Our foreign aid budget is $50 billion. America is now home to about 50 million “undocumented immigrants.” So I would say we do remember the poor. All of them? No. Jesus said the poor will always be with us.

            Your Corinthians comment about not associating with certain people is aimed at the President and your judgment of him. Most of us do not associate with politicians; rather we vote for them. We vote for them to do what they say. If you believe the 60 million people who voted for Trump the first time are violating biblical commands wait until this election when 70 million vote for his re-election.

            To be specific we as a country could do much more for our poor. Take CA for example and their rampant homelessness on display. It is a shame. Who is to blame? Well the current CA governor and mayors shoulder most of the blame as they allocate the funds. The President provides money but he does not manage it.

            If you believe we should have open borders and welcome any who arrive then perhaps you should vote for Bernie as that is his promise.

            Since we are doing such a good job with the poor we have it should not be a problem to take in another 50 million or so.

    1. The author didn’t say that the candidate needed to be a Christian. He is referring to the Bible’s injunction against supporting professed Christians who nonetheless display certain behaviors antithetical to the Way. And he didn’t actually mention by name the current president. You just inferred his identity from the quoted biblical description.

      1. You are so wrong on all accounts I am afraid.
        Nothing to infer. Ben hates Trump and all of his blogs are based on that.
        When Obama was asked he said he was a Christian and you say?
        Pelosi as a Catholic is per se not allowed to support abortion and you say?
        Trump said he is a Christian and you judge him by the fake news you read about him. That makes you….

      2. Brandt, it is the spirit of Christ that is being addressed here, not the name of Christ. This may make no sense to most, but, if the Spirit of truth (by any name) lives with and in you we will know whose student you are by your fruit. No one need be a Christian sprinkled, immersed, and card carrying member to, in everything, do to others as they would have others do to them, as they love themselves.

        The destructive (evil) spirit of the “current president” is clear to those trusting in the counsel offered by the Spirit of truth.

    2. “Who is the Christian that meets your criteria in this group please?”
      Wrong question: the correct question is who is the candidate who meets the description. To throw back the weaselly evangelical defence of Trump – you’re voting for a president, not a pastor. (Also, you’ve missed off Warren, but I suppose she’s something of a long shot now.)
      Find me the Bible passage that denounces “socialism”, because I am curious as to why you use it as a swearword. If you’re looking for a “Christian values” candidate, ironically you are probably looking at the secular Jew. You might vote elsewhere because you think his ideas are impractical, or you don’t want any of your hard earned money to go to scrounging poor people or sick people who don’t deserve it, or perhaps some other perfectly practical, pragmatic reason, but don’t pretend you are voting out of “Christian values” if voting for Trump.

      1. If you don’t know what socialism is then you are young and need an education.
        He doesn’t want my money he wants all of my money and yours, my freedom of speech and yours. But he will be at the top still flying in private jets and living in luxury while you serve him.
        I don’t believe a Christian has an obligation to vote one way or the other since we are not to be “part of this world.” I vote for a leader who can accomplish his promises. President Trump is the first President in a long time to do so.

        1. I don’t believe a Christian has an obligation to vote one way or the other since we are not to be “part of this world.

          John 3:16 (NIV2011)

          For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

          Luke 14:27 (NIV2011)

          And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

          Bob, you fit the admonition Ben included above:

          But I am writing to you that you must not associate with any professing believer who is immoral, who is greedy and a lover of money, idolatrous, verbally abusive and known for mocking and slandering others, a drunkard, and who extorts and swindles others for his own gain— do not even share a meal with such a person.

          By your fruit, we know whose vine you are rooted with. We know whose disciple you are. You are Trump’s disciple in spirit and not the Messiah’s in reality. It hurts to see that this seems to make you proud to be flaunting your “Christian” membership. A member of Christianity you may be, but a child of God, Jesus Christ’s God, you are not. You are part of this world who does not see, to know, to accept the Spirit of truth!

          1. People do not associate with their President; they are governed by their President. Your scripture is misplaced.
            Your admonition is also incorrect and rejected.

            1. If God so loved the world, the whole world, why can’t you?

              In a democracy, as versus an autocracy, your vote determines your choice for representation. You choose to be represented by a president “who is immoral, who is greedy and a lover of money, idolatrous, verbally abusive and known for mocking and slandering others,” “and who extorts and swindles others for his own gain“.

              You cannot serve two masters. Bob, you own it for by your vote you associate yourself, and all your actionable values, with Donald J. Trump directly.

                1. Do you understand “taxation without representation”? Do you understand the reality behind the original “Tea Party”? You are no different than your “governing President”, neither of you understand the Constitution and both of you think that if you say this is what the law should say, then that’s the law. You both are, as your last mis-direction in reply illustrates, “verbally abusive and known for mocking and slandering others” as neither of you would have others do to you. What both of you sow you will reap, it’s just so sad how many get hurt by your influence.

                  1. Further to your comments about the Obama Administration and the coup to remove Prseident Trump that you denied:

                    “FISA court blocks FBI agents linked to Carter Page probe from seeking wiretaps, other surveillance”
                    “FBI officials involved in the wiretapping of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page have been blocked, at least temporarily, from appearing before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) in regard to other cases, in rebuke that exceeded the remedial recommendations made by the independent monitor recently appointed by the court.
                    The decision by James E. Boasberg, chief judge of the secretive court created under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), comes as Congress faces a March 15 deadline on whether to renew three FBI national-security surveillance and investigative tools that were enacted after 9/11.”
                    “FBI personnel under disciplinary review in relation to their work on FISA applications accordingly should not participate in drafting, verifying, reviewing, or submitting such applications to the Court while the review is pending,” Boasberg wrote. “The same prohibition applies to any DOJ attorney under disciplinary review, as well as any DOJ or FBI personnel who are the subject of a criminal referral related to their work on FISA applications.”

                    1. Oh Bob, you don’t know how difficult it is to not just call you a fool. I guess you are no more duped than were the German select who associated themselves and supported the Nazi regime. Did you know that Carter Page was a CIA operative?

                      You probably didn’t notice that I supply you with the sources for all quoted references. In this case it doesn’t matter, I know how to do my research. Your references came from FOX News: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fisa-court-blocks-fbi-agents-linked-to-carter-page-probe-from-seeking-wiretaps-report

                      You can find that the New York Times, also, reported the court finding: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/us/politics/fisa-court-fbi-surveillance.html

                      This has nothing, in any respect, to do with an attempted coup to remove president Trump. The FISA errors, relative to only Carter Page and not Donald J Trump, were poorly executed attempts to find Russian operatives influencing the Trump for president campaign. There was no coup attempt, at all, in any way, attempted. If you have been duped enough to believe such, and I’m not sure you have been because I beginning to think you are a divisive Russian bot destroying democracies, why can’t you answer why this “Russian Hoax” was not employed before Trump was elected? Why did the fired by Trump James Comey sabotage, against all Justice Department advice, Hillary Clinton 18 days prior to election day?

                      Russia did it! Trump used it! No hoax and no coup!

                      Come on, bot or not, smarten up, please!!!

                    2. Your response shows you do not understand what happened. Yes, Carter Page was a CIA asset. But the FBI told the FISA court Carter Page was a suspected Russian asset and withheld the truth that he was a CIA asset so they could get that warrant.
                      Now that the FISA court has admonished the FBI and declared two of the four warrants deficient, Page is suing the FBI for ruining his reputation.

                      Page’e warrant was used to spy on the Trump campaign and the Trump presidency. Mueller looked for two years and found,”The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.””

                      We will see the result of this when Durham indicts Comey, Clapper and Brennan among others.

                    3. You did no research! You said FISA abuse was “poorly executed attempts to find Russian operatives influencing the Trump for president campaign.” Lies
                      The IG Report completely disagrees with you:

                      Office of the Inspector General
                      U.S. Department of Justice
                      “The decision to o pen Crossfire Hurricane and four
                      individual cases on current and former members
                      of the Trump campaign, George Papadopoulos,
                      Carter Page, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn ;

                      the early investigative steps taken ; and whether
                      the openings and early steps complied with
                      Department and FBI policies” They did not!

                      “We are deeply concerned that so many basic and fundamental errors were
                      made by three separate, hand-picked investigative teams; on one of the most
                      sensitive FBI investigations; after the matter had been briefed to the highest levels
                      within the FBI
                      ; even though the information sought through use of FISA authority
                      related so closely to an ongoing presidential campaign; and even though those
                      involved with the investigation knew that their actions were likely to be subjected
                      to close scrutiny. We believe this circumstance reflects a failure not just by those
                      who prepared the FISA applications, but also by the managers and supervisors in
                      the Crossfire Hurricane chain of command, including FBI senior officials who were
                      briefed as the investigation progressed.

                      Better run to MSNBC and CNN and find the lies they used to spin this because you have lost all credibility.

                    4. Further to your ridiculous comment about about the FBI’s tainted FISA warrants from NBC:

                      “The FBI’s submission to the court made assertions that were “inaccurate, incomplete, or unsupported by appropriate documentation,” the report said.

                      Rosemary Collyer, presiding judge on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, said in the unusual public order that the report “calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable.” She ordered the FBI to explain in writing by Jan. 10 how it intends to remedy those problems.

                    5. Your frenzy seems to say that you’ve really bought the bull without any other research. Let me help you:

                      https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/09/watchdog-report-rips-fbi-handling-of-russia-probe-078983

                      Attorney General Bill Barr endorsed Horowitz’s critique of the FBI’s handling of the surveillance process, but rejected the inspector general’s conclusion that the FBI had an adequate “predicate” for the decision to launch the investigation into the Trump campaign in July 2016.

                      https://www.lawfareblog.com/thoughts-horowitz-report-part-i-introduction

                      Rather than writing this in a single long post, I am breaking up this work into a sequence of shorter essays, the second of which will appear on Friday, Dec. 27, and cover the areas in which Horowitz—sometimes despite himself—concludes that the FBI behaved appropriately.

                      https://www.lawfareblog.com/thoughts-horowitz-report-part-ii-what-inspector-general-did-not-find

                      It may have been too aggressive for Horowitz’s taste in certain respects. But it was, in fact, about Russia. It was always about Russia. Full stop.

                      https://www.lawfareblog.com/thoughts-horowitz-report-part-iii-fisa-findings

                      The point here is that the problem Horowitz has identified is a really hard one. It doesn’t help to cram these issues into preexisting political categories. It also doesn’t help to assume we have enough information already to address them. The solution is going to be messy. Identifying the scope of the problem may be painful as well.

                      https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-comey-email-report-really-says

                      And there it is: the inspector general of the United States Department of Justice taking the position that a witness to gross misconduct by the president of the United States has a duty to keep his mouth shut about what he saw. Remember, after all, that Comey was a witness here as well as the former FBI director. That’s an extraordinary position for a law enforcement organization to take. If that is what FBI policy and an employment agreement required of Comey under the extraordinary circumstances he faced, so be it. I’m glad both were given their due weight.

                      Read it yourself!!!

                      https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

                      This may help simplify it for you!

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspector_General_report_on_the_Crossfire_Hurricane_investigation

                      Don’t expect any indictments, even Republicans don’t…

                      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/top-republican-there-wont-be-a-report-from-john-durham

                    6. Wrong again and again and again.
                      The IG investigates but does not make conclusions and certainly did not conclude that the predicate was appropriate – thus marvelous John durham investigates.The report says, “The inspector general report says investigators “did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation” impacted the FBI’s decision to open the investigation or to pursue surveillance of Carter Page. But the review stops short of ruling out such bias and says explanations by current and former officials of various failures in the process were perplexing and inadequate.
                      “We … did not receive satisfactory explanations for the errors or problems we identified,” the report says.

                      On the infamous Hillary Clinton bought and paid for Steele Dossier known as the “Prostitute Pee-Pee” Dossier, The UK has disavowed Steele and his report. So Hillary sought dirt on a political opponent from a foreign source and like Biden will pay a price.

                      Comey was complicit in the coup along with McCabe, Clapper and Brennan. They can’t escape what they did and they are like those in the Second Resurrection on the plain in front of the Lake of Fire awaiting their destruction.. They are praying for a miracle that would elect a Democrat this time to interfere with their just and long overdue punishment.

                    7. Bob, let it play out! You will see, let’s hope that it’s not too late for our claimed democracy! Your lynch mob mentality is not allowing you to read through Barr’s obfuscation and Trump’s out right misdirecting lies. If you can’t see through divisive bullying tactics, to see the weaknesses being covered up, then you have become the destructive (evil) spirit to all of mankind. You didn’t read the law briefs. You did not read the IG’s review. You accepted tainted interpretations. Give it a rest. Your claims alone will not suffice.

                    8. The result of the Durham investigation will not end our democracy rather save it from wicked men who tried to force their will on us the people.
                      What is a destructive evil spirit to all of mankind if not a spirit?
                      Since you have said Jesus is ruling now why does He allow evils spirits to remain?
                      I quoted from sources. Notice the quotes I supplied.

                    9. Mr. Shiloh, you did not supply the sources, just the quotes. The sources, by my example, are in red.

                      You asked two questions that ignore the Law and the Prophets that are still in force today, governing the results (consequences) from influences of good and influences of evil. You ignore doing to all others as you would have others do to you, founded equally on the love you have for yourself, in everything. Your influence is evil, destructive by your written choices. You abuse the image of God, who is spirit, graced you only because you were born of water as an aware and influential member of mankind.

                      You really have no idea who Jesus, the Messiah, died for. You don’t accept that Jesus, upon restoring the Temple in three days, was given, then, right then, ALL authority in heaven and on earth. You, in all your self centered ignorance, are equally destructive to the life of others of mankind as were Annas and Caiaphas then.

            1. Bob, I love you and the President. I hate the spirit of those who are immoral, who are greedy and a lovers of money, idolatrous, verbally abusive and known for mocking and slandering others, and who extorts and swindles others for their own gain. In Christian charity I do carry my cross for both of you. I am not condemning you, by your fruit you condemn yourself, even if only by what is written in scripture. I really and truly wish you could understand that. I hurt for you, the President, and all you each hurt and destroy.

                1. Her words and actions agree with not hating the President. Your knowledge is lacking regarding the consequences for others from your illiterate judgments. Your influence here has managed to hurt and destroy others as you would not have others influence you. I’m truly not certain whether you are seriously but ineptly seeking truth or just having fun debating disagreeably. Either way you refuse to even try to comprehend scripture that tells you that God is real and can sufficiently be your only Teacher.

        2. Yeah, I know what “socialism” means because I am not right-wing Trump worshipping, Fox news addicted or utterly ignorant and uneducated. Out here in the rest of the world than the USA (and indeed in the USA to anyone who actually is a socialist or knows what one is), socialism has nothing whatsoever to do with “taking away free speech” or “taking everyone’s money” but rather investing heavily in public services, protecting and enhancing worker’s rights and improved social provision for the poor sick and elderly through increased state funding paid for by taxes on the better off (and to the rest of the world Sanders isn’t even a socialist, just moderately centre left).

          1. Not really. It is dangerous and has failed everywhere it has been tried hasn’t it?
            No you are not Right winged or Right brained – just blinded by the Leftists that brainwashed you.
            But America is the greatest country in the world, the envy of the world and you will never understand it.

            1. Sanders’ version of socialism has succeeded everywhere that it has been tried, in that the social provision and universal healthcare he proposes is basically the norm for everywhere else in the world, and the countries with consistently the highest standard of living are those with the highest level of social provision and democratic, partially capitalist but with the higher levels of state protection, provision and regulation “socialism” that is prevalent in Scandinavia and much of western Europe.
              I can’t work out if you are pathetically deluded, spectacularly ignorant or out-and-out lying when you seem to be trying and to somehow equate anything being proposed by Sanders with e.g. the kind of state communism practiced in the Soviet Union. It’s just bizarre.

                  1. I don’t know about that. I listened to him at the debates and he proposes:
                    1. Universal healthcare for everyone including undocumented immigrants.
                    2. Transform our energy system to 100 percent renewable energy and create 20 million jobs needed to solve the climate crisis.
                    3. Guarantee tuition and debt-free public colleges, universities, HBCUs, Minority Serving Institutions and trade-schools to all.
                    4. Cancel all student loan debt for the some 45 million Americans who owe about $1.6 trillion and place a cap on student loan interest rates going forward at 1.88 percent.
                    5. Open borders, Institute a moratorium on deportations and eliminate ICE.
                    6. Payment estimate $45 trillion over 10 years

                    There aren’t any countries that I am aware of with this level of “Left of Center” policies.

                    1. I am not even a USian and I know more about your own county’s potential presidential candidates than you do, and you display a staggering lack of knowledge of the outside world, which explains a lot.
                      1 isn’t true – nowhere is he saying Medicare is to be expanded to include those in the US illegally. Other than that universal healthcare is the global norm.
                      2. 100% renewables is already the signed up goal of 50 countries and most are committed to at least carbon neutrality over a similar timescale.
                      3. Some countries have tuition fees and loans for graduate education, many do not. Here in the UK they were only introduced in the 80s – HE was previously free.
                      4. Cancellation of student debt is a policy of the Labour party here in the UK, for example.
                      5. “Open borders” is not a Sanders policy, a “moratorium” means a temporary pause while policies are reviewed, and most countries (including the US until 2003) use the ordinary law enforcement and border systems to enforce immigration rules, not a specialised service, as Sanders proposes.
                      6. Payment of or for what? “$45 trillion over 10 years” is the current US federal spending level.
                      Environmental and immigration policies have nothing to do with “socialism”, however defined, and, to return to Dr Corey’s point, care for the sick and poor, the relief of debt, and, above all, welcoming and care for the foreigner are repeated, mandatory Biblical requirements following which you appear to think disqualifies rather than recommends someone for high office.

                    2. 1. Wrong. He said it and you don’t know what you are taking about because your are not a USian.

                      Sanders plan would cover undocumented immigrants
                      By GABRIEL DEBENEDETTI and KYLE CHENEY 01/18/2016 12:13 AM EST
                      “It would cover everyone, including aspiring Americans,” said Warren Gunnels, senior policy adviser to the Vermont senator’s campaign, when asked whether the plan would cover immigrants in the country illegally.”

                      The rest is equally dribble from your uninformed state of liiberal bliss.

                    3. Te healthcare for undocumented immigrants
                      His policy platform doesn’t mention this. Looks like he proposes it for all US “residents” without specifying what this means, so it wouldn’t include people travelling to the US for treatment, for example.
                      The UK’s NHS is available for some services (principally emergency and primary care) for anyone regardless of residence, other countries have different rules.
                      Again, your expression of horror at the idea of caring for sick foreigners living in the US doesn’t really square with any kind of “biblical” morality.

                  2. I don’t know about that. I listened to him at the debates and he proposes:
                    1. Universal healthcare for everyone including undocumented immigrants.
                    2. Transform our energy system to 100 percent renewable energy and create 20 million jobs needed to solve the climate crisis.
                    3. Guarantee tuition and debt-free public colleges, universities, HBCUs, Minority Serving Institutions and trade-schools to all.
                    4. Cancel all student loan debt for the some 45 million Americans who owe about $1.6 trillion and place a cap on student loan interest rates going forward at 1.88 percent.
                    5. Open borders, Institute a moratorium on deportations and eliminate ICE.
                    6. Payment estimate $45 trillion over 10 years

                    There aren’t any countries that I am aware of with this level of “Left of Center” policies.

              1. you are indeed condescendingly arrogant and seemingly unaware of one of the fundamental ideas of our revolution that power corrupts and the more power you give the centralized government the more you have opened yourself up to some form of totalitarianism–whatever the government guarantees you, they can take away–the government produces NOTHING save paper money and in our history there was STRONG opposition to a central bank like the Federal Reserve.
                It is also an informative observation to take note how the ruling class seems to always have what they want—-how many houses does Sanders have?…he is a millionaire!

                1. I am not a Bernie supporter. His ideas are anathema to our system of government but he is not a liar like the other democrat lemmings I believe he actually feels his ideas would be good for this country.
                  However the elite democrat base realizes that he would confiscate their money to pay for those ideas and that must not happen.
                  This is the problem they have with Trump. They cannot buy him and he can see through them. So they are going with Joe because he is controllable. And his VP pick will be the actual President as Joe is not of sound mind any longer. But the VP has to be a woman and there lies the uneasy prospect of Hillary.

                  1. agreed Bob. I am amazed at your persistence on this site! I think you should consider “shaking the dust off your feet”!!

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