Benjamin L. Corey

Benjamin L. Corey

BLC is an author, speaker, scholar, and global traveler, who holds graduate degrees in Theology & Intercultural Studies from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, and received his doctorate in Intercultural Studies from Fuller. He is the author of Undiluted: Rediscovering the Radical Message of Jesus, and Unafraid: Moving Beyond Fear-Based Faith.

Yes, What Israel Is Doing To Palestinians Is Actually Genocide.

In the Israel/Palestine conflict, is Israel guilty of genocide against the Palestinians?

Yes– absolutely.

The other day I wrote a short piece on why the Bible does not command us to blindly stand with the modern state of Israel, and one of the points I made is that Israel is guilty of genocide. There were no shortage of internet commenters who objected to my use of this word and felt it was over the top. However, I stand by my assertion that Israel is guilty of genocide, so allow me to expand upon that.

I believe the main reason many push back on the idea that Israel is guilty of genocide is because of a lack of understanding of the full nuance of the word, and what genocide can look like in a modern context. While rounding up people for mass executions would be obvious evidence of genocide, the reality is that genocide can take place in ways that are more subtle– making it palatable for the masses, and even seem justified at times.

Some scholars have referred to the Israel/Palestine conflict as “incremental genocide” and I would agree with that term. Instead of an overt, blatant attempt to eradicate a people group, incremental genocide involves actions and policies that are designed to slowly erode, break up, and destroy a specific population. Think for example of early American history and the genocide of Native Americans. While it wasn’t always mass killings, genocide occurred by military conflict, expanding land holdings, resettlements, and creating conditions that were destructive for the indigenous population. While it took many years to complete, and while it took many forms, what early Americans did to the indigenous people of North America was nothing short of genocide.

The same holds true for Israel.

The legal definition of genocide includes the following:

“Acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group such as:

(a)        Killing members of the group;

(b)        Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c)        Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.”

While A and B are both elements we find present in Israel’s approach to Palestinians, the key aspect of genocide being waged by Israel is found in C: the deliberate infliction of conditions that in part or as a whole will destroy a people group. Arab Christians and Muslims known as Palestinians have been undoubtedly the target of Israel and a desire to eradicate them from the land.

When Israel was created it resulted in an instant crisis for the Christians and Muslims who had lived together quite peacefully for hundreds and hundreds of years. Even today there are somewhere around 3.5 to 4 million Palestinian refugees who wish to have the right to return to their homes and land– a request that will never be granted by Israel.

For those who remain in Palestinian territory, they might as well be living in a massive open-air prison, because they live under the occupation of a foreign army. Children are routinely tear gassed on the way to school. Imports are severely restricted, with even basics like water being tightly controlled. Their rights of passage are severely curtailed– families have been broken up and people have died at military checkpoints because they were delayed or denied passage to access critical medical care.

To top it all off, what little land Palestinians have left is under systematic erosion by Israeli policy. Illegal Israeli settlements continue to crop up in Palestinian territory, in violation of international law. These illegal settlements, in addition to literally confiscating land from indigenous people, often bring violence to the Palestinians who live there. Even just a brief youtube search will bring up countless examples of women and children being assaulted by illegal settlers, or examples like Palestinian farms being attacked and destroyed at harvest time.

Let’s not be dishonest in the ultimate goal here: it is to rid the land of Palestinians.

Capture their land. Develop policies to evict them from their houses. Send in settlers and soldiers to colonize what land they still have. Refuse to let refugees back. Make them miserable under military rule. Limit their access to basic, life-sustaining resources.

The goal? Be not deceived: this is ethnic cleansing.

Do the Palestinians ever fight back and use violence? Yes, of course. This is equally wrong. It is also highly ineffective because it plays right into the hands of Israel, who uses this as an excuse to respond with utterly overwhelming military violence, such as arresting and incarcerating children accused of throwing rocks, or wiping out entire communities in the name of self-defense, such has been seen in Gaza.

So here’s where we’re at: Many of the indigenous people were displaced upon the creation of the modern state of Israel, and the number of displaced people has continued to grow. They are refugees who live in poverty and painful conditions at refugee camps. Israel has systematically expanded its borders to functionally capture more and more land that belonged to Palestinians. Of what’s left, Palestinians have to suffer under a brutal military occupation where so many aspects of life are restricted or deprived. To top it all off, Israel continues to expand illegal settlements into Palestinian territory, further creating conditions designed to break up and destroy the will of Palestinians to even exist.

That folks, is genocide. It is incremental, slow-motion genocide. If the international community continues to turn a blind eye, it will do nothing short of ensure the complete destruction and or displacement of the Palestinian people.

Is calling this genocide over the top? No, it’s not. It’s genocide. Legally. Morally. It’s genocide.

It’s just happening in slow motion, so the world doesn’t see it.

(And it’s being done by the people we’re told are God’s favorite, so we don’t even want to see it.)

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Benjamin L. Corey

BLC is a cultural anthropologist, public theologian, writer, speaker, global traveler, and tattoo collector. He is a two-time graduate of Gordon-Conwell with graduate degrees in Theology & Intercultural Studies, and went on to receive his doctorate in Intercultural Studies from Fuller. He is the author of Unafraid: Moving Beyond Fear-Based Faith, and Undiluted: Rediscovering the Radical Message of Jesus. In addition to his blog, Formerly Fundie, his work has been regularly featured by a wide array of media outlets such as TIME magazine and CNN, among others.

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Benjamin L. Corey

BLC is a cultural anthropologist, public theologian, writer, speaker, global traveler, and tattoo collector. He is a two-time graduate of Gordon-Conwell with graduate degrees in Theology & Intercultural Studies, and went on to receive his doctorate in Intercultural Studies from Fuller. He is the author of Unafraid: Moving Beyond Fear-Based Faith, and Undiluted: Rediscovering the Radical Message of Jesus. In addition to his blog, Formerly Fundie, his work has been regularly featured by a wide array of media outlets such as TIME magazine and CNN, among others.

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  • 4 those that don’t know, Israel took in significantly more Refugees after the ’48 War. They were expelled from Muslim Countries forfeiting their Properties They are now Citizens of the Only Democracy in the M.E.; Most Israeli Muslims would be worse off; were they to lose their Israeli Citizenship. Israel is constantly harassed yet keep on carrying on.

    • Funny, that’s the same argument American racists use to talk about Black Americans being better off, because of slavery. Timeklek- is it that you are brainwashed, or simply believe that God didn’t create Palestinian Christians and Muslims, or that God’s commandments don’t apply to Israel? Which is it. The Arabs in Jordan are treated far better than those in Palestine. With few exceptions, most Arabs are treated better, enjoy a better standard of living, and peace, than they do in Israel’s concentration camps.

    • Nothing about Israel is a Democracy. That’s a BS talking point that comes straight out of the mouths of the AIPAC drones that serve America. Another country that is not a Democracy.

          • That’s probably why Israel has a lot of shit things happen to it then. when you treat people like shit, they bite back.

            How long are you going to occupy the West Bank for???

            At the moment there are 500 000+ Jewish settlers there just in the West Bank and another 300 000+ Jewish settlers in East Jerusalem brought in by the Israeli government…..

  • Never Again…to US. It’s ok if WE do it to others, because…hey, it isn’t like _they_ are God’s chosen people.

    Also: Ethnic Cleaning and not “genocide”.

  • wow, you’re alright by me…even if you are religious.
    every christian should follow this example. my people are being genocided and that has to stop.

  • There’s zero wrong with fighting back against systematic destruction. And when you do you fight with everything you have and use every trick in the book. Or you die. I can’t argue with their choice.

    I agree with everything else wholeheartedly

  • I really do find it Vile and Evil. we save them from genocide and they in turn go on to commit genocide I am not labelling all Jewish people like these folks i know plenty who are against what they are doing. but those that have taken over Palestine should know better, they are the children and grand children of the victims of WW2 and they have gone on to commit the same acts that their ancestors were survivors of. But to say that is apparently Antisemitism it’s disgusting >:( I don’t think all Jewish folk are remotely like the jew’s committing this vileness but i do think the jews that are committing these acts of evil are the most vile scum of the universe along with other vile evil scumbags of the universe of other creeds, colours and races.

    • Excuse me? You saved us from genocide? Six million Jews died – over half our total world population. And we still haven’t completely recovered that population.

      No Jews “took over” Palestine, which, by the way, was a region of the Ottoman Empire, not a country. When they first began returning to their homeland, where they are the indigenous people, they purchased every inch of land that they lived on and farmed. Later, under the Mandate, they were given sovereignty over all the land from the River to the Sea. In the Declaration for the Establishment of the State of Israel, the following clauses were included:

      WE APPEAL – in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months – to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.
      WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.

      The Arab response – a war of extermination against the new nation. Despite this, many Arabs remained, and Israel brought back 100,000 Arabs who had fled. They were willing to bring back another 100,000 but the Arab League wouldn’t allow it, having already realized what great pawns the refugees made. In addition, Israel paid out tens of thousands of shekels to all legal claimants who had lost property.

      After the 67 war, when Israel retook territory that had been illegally occupied by Jordan and Egypt, she greatly improved the quality of life of the Arabs living there. There has been no genocide and no ethnic cleansing on the part of Israel. The Arabs, on the other hand, have stated in both the Hamas Covenant and the PLO Charter that their goals are the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jews.You should read these before making such foolish comments.

      • Palestine was a Mandate….and for all extents and purposes was a country.

        Once again this was forced on the Palestinian Muslims and Christians who rejected it.

        And you might want to check out the Likud charter…..

        “The 1999 Likud Party platform emphasizes the right of settlement.
        “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”[35]

        Similarly, they claim the Jordan River as the permanent eastern border to Israel and it also claims Jerusalem as belonging to Israel.

        The ‘Peace & Security’ chapter of the 1999 Likud Party platform rejects a Palestinian state.
        “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel’s existence, security and national needs.”[35]

        With Likud back in power, starting in 2009, Israeli foreign policy is still under review. Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu, in his “National Security” platform, neither endorsed nor ruled out the idea of a Palestinian state.[36] “Netanyahu has hinted that he does not oppose the creation of a Palestinian state, but aides say he must move cautiously because his religious-nationalist coalition partners refuse to give away land.”[37]

        On 14 June 2009, Netanyahu delivered a speech[38] at Bar-Ilan University (also known as “Bar-Ilan Speech”), at Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, that was broadcast live in Israel and across parts of the Arab world, on the topic of the Middle East peace process. He endorsed for the first time the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel, with several conditions.

        However, on 16 March 2015, Netanyahu stated in the affirmative, that if he were elected, a Palestinian state would not be created.[39] Netanyahu argued, “anyone who goes to create today a Palestinian state and turns over land, is turning over land that will be used as a launching ground for attacks by Islamist extremists against the State of Israel.”[39] Some take these statements to mean that Netanyahu and Likud oppose a Palestinian state. After having been criticised by U.S. White House Spokesperson Josh Earnest for the “divisive rhetoric” of his election campaign, on 19 March 2015, Netanyahu retreated to “I don’t want a one-state solution. I want a peaceful, sustainable two-state solution. I have not changed my policy.”[40]”

        Hmmmmm…. anyone see the hypocrisy there…

        Hamas=evil because they do not recognise Israel.

        Likud=good because they do not recognise Palestinian State and actively support the taking of Palestinian land.

  • It is not genocide, nor is it apartheid. The Palestinians are not a single ethnic, religious, national group because firstly, Palestine never existed as a legislative state. There is little difference between the Palestinians and the Jordanian Arabs. The Ottoman Empire ruled this area for almost 500 years and when it collapsed the British and the French, rightly or wrongly, carved out the region and created new states like Iraq and Jordan.
    Much of the hysterical abuse against the Israelis has been criticised by many as being anti-Semitic. Many people have often asked – why are they so selective in their outrage when there is far worse going on in Yemen. in Libya and certainly, in Syria? Why indeed?

    • For starters that’s bs. Palestine was a recognised Mandate in the same way as Syria and Iraq was.

      Secondly, how long do you thin the Israelis are going to occupy the west Bank….forever?

      Or until they’ve taken over all of it.

      Thirdly, what happened to the principles of democracy- of a people governing for themselves which people like you throw under a bus in support of ethno-religious division.

      Your pathetic propaganda won’t wash.

      As for Yemen, the US supports Saudi Arabia in Yemen. And Israel has a cosy relationship with Saudi Arabia whose fighting a proxy war with Iran.

      And no one’s ignoring those proxy wars, you goose, especially Israel.

      • 1. And the Mandate was for the creation of the Jewish state. Period. The Arabs got all the rest.
        2. According to UNSC 242, the territories are in dispute, not occupied. According to the Geneva Conventions, the territories are not occupied – it would behoove you to read them.
        3. Over 98% of the Arabs do govern themselves. Those remaining in Area C are free to move to A and B whenever they want.
        4. Israel’s semi-positive relationship is both very new and very conditional. When the Iranian threat goes away, so will the relationship.

        • So the Israeli bots have gone form there was no Palestine to it was Palestine only for Jews.

          Guess what the Arabs (Muslim and Christian) didn’t like it.

          Oh and Area C is on Palestinian land.

          Not occupied hey…..

          The IDF are only sightseeing……

          So Israel is only taking Palestinian and increasing settlements because of Iran.

          When Iran stops being a threat the settlements will disappear.

          And you expect everyone to believe your horseshit?

      • Initially, the San Remo Accord of 1920 gave All of what is todays Jordan for an Israeli Homeland (as well as Gaza). That is the agreement which must be surmounted by an International Court.

        • So the people of the West Bank have no say in their own sovereignty?

          I’m interested to know where else in the world that applies?

          Once again you types are quick to throw out the principles of democracy for your own ideology.

          • Exactly what is their right to sovereignty over any land based on? They are a disparate group of Arabs who used to be Jordanians living on Israeli territory that they have no legal claim to. Their cry for sovereignty is just another propaganda lie in the Arab/Muslim unending quest for the destruction of Israel and the Jews. But, you’re okay with that, right, Bones?

          • The Palestinians I know in Ramallah have been there for centuries.

            Once again thanks for showing your total disregard for the principles of democracy.

            Oh and that you do nothing but lie.

          • Do you understand what sovereignty is? Something the Arabs in Judea and Samaria never had! The land belongs to the Jews in accordance with international law whether you, or the Arabs, like it or not. If the Arabs would accept that and behave accordingly, their troubles would soon be over. People like you enable their delusion and keep them living in misery.

          • Tell that to the 20% non-Jewish population that has made it clear many times that they have no desire to leave Israel and be governed by the PA or any other Arab org.

      • The only thing Israelis have ever wanted is, if not get along, then to be left alone by the Palestinians. If you like, I can offer you photos of what this peaceful little bunch of people have done to Israelis over 70 years. Your facts are beyond laughable: Palestine is not a “recognized mandate”. It never was. This people drifted into Israel and have brought their cruel proclivities with them, taking Israeli lives and this week, actually, dressed a donkey in an Israeli flag, beat it to death, and burned it. That was in Gaza. They are in Gaza because they cannot behave like normal human beings and therefore have to be separated out. Arabs in Israel are quite happy. They enjoy full citizenship and everything that entails. And when you come back at me, and you know you will, please show me the courtesy of speaking truths, not the lies the Palestinians want you to believe.

  • Christians who support Israel, support this……and yeah I have Palestinian Christian friends its happened to.

  • Hamas, the rulers of Gaza, are waging war on Israel. Their goal is the destruction of the Jewish state and the elimination of all Jews.
    They have stated this. Israel is defending themselves against Hamas. The destruction of parts of Gaza would stop, instantly if Hamas stopped waging war on Israel.

    Sine Hamas surrounds their military sites with civilian sites and places civilians in harms way to protect their people, if genocide IS being committed, Hamas is the one doing it.

  • Who is this Jew hater, Hephie, who defends the sacred murders of all Jews as written in the holy books of the god allahaha, and cannot admit the objectives of all Muslims to completely eradicate all Jews and non-Muslims???

    • Sucked-from-Goebbels’-rigid-member slander is the best you can do??? You reveal yourself as a mindless wannabe Nazi saying that the aim of over a billion people is to eliminate Jews. For your information, I myself have Jewish ancestry. My family has always recognized that Zionism, the cooptation of the ideas of 19th-century anti-semitism, is a cancer on the Jewish soul.

      • I document while you spew hate. Apartheid Israel has a fake ‘narrative while Palestine has the actual documented record, and this really pisses bigots like you to no end.

        • Please show us your documentation of Palestine. Archaeology, history, genetics, government, etc. You’ll be the first to ever do so!

          • Just tell me when to stop!

            How ’bout a standard university history textbook written by the Kahanoff Chair Professor of Israel Studies at the University of Calgary, 2003-2006, and President of the Association for Israel Studies, 2005-2007? ‘Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since the seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture.’–Dowty, Alan (2008). Israel/Palestine. London, UK: Polity. p. 221

          • Ad nauseum!
            Now go talk to the actual aggressors – the Palestinians; and all their mates sending arms and money to reward the terrorists.

            Try that slant as they are the ones refusing to stop their hatreds and bigotries – this is what is obvious to all.

          • Not colonialist!! They are taking over all lands that harbour terrorists… You stop the Palestinians or …..Live with it !

          • Your intellectual idols the Nazis called Jews terrorists. It’s just another thing you sucked from Goebbels’ rigid member — the teat of Zionist ideology.

            Zion heil!

          • What is wrong with you??

            Every one but you is a nazi???

            You blindly defend the terrorists and attack at every opportunity – You sound like the Muslim/terrorists that keep attacking Israel….

          • ‘We cannot give any compensation for Palestine, neither to the Palestinians nor to other Arabs. Zionist COLONIZATION, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the NATIVE population’? — Mussolini-loving Ukrainian Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923

          • German nationalist and self-hating Jew Theodore Herzl to arch-colonialist Cecil Rhodes: ‘You are the only man who can help me now….it is a big- some say, too big –thing. To me, it does not seem too big for Cecil Rhodes… You are being invited to make history…It is not in your accustomed line; it doesn’t involve Africa but a piece of Asia Minor, not Englishmen but Jews…How do I happen to turn to you seeing this matter so remote to you? How? BECAUSE IT IS COLONIAL, and because it presupposes an understanding of a development that requires 20 to 30 years…put the stamp of your authority on the Zionist plan…’

          • ‘Never before has the WHITE MAN [!] undertaken COLONIZATION with that sense of justice and social progress which fills the Jew who comes to Palestine.’ — Berl Katznelson, Jewish Agency leader, in 1937

          • ‘Zionism is a COLONIZING adventure and, therefore, it stands or falls on the question of armed forces.’ Mussolini-loving Jabotinsky, 1923

          • If Jews are ‘native’ to Palestine, why did the Second Zionist Congress establish the Jewish COLONIAL Trust–now Bank Leumi–as the Zionist Organization’s financial instrument?

          • If Jews are ‘native’ to Palestine, why was the Jewish Agency’s department for Jewish settlement in Palestine called the COLONIZATION department?

          • If Jews are ‘native’ to Palestine, why was the Palestine Jewish COLONIZATION Association such a major player in the meagre land purchases the colonists were able to make before stealing the rest in 1947-9?

          • Because that was term in currency at the time. You can’t be a colonist if you don’t have a home country to colonize from!

          • How ’bout a Catholic theologian?: ‘While population transfers were effected in the Assyrian, Babylonian and Persian periods, most of the indigenous population remained in place [during the Muslim Conquest]. Moreover, after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 the population by and large remained in situ, and did so again after Bar Kochba’s revolt in AD 135. When the vast majority of the population became Christian during the Byzantine period, no vast number were driven out, and similarly in the seventh century, when the vast majority became Muslim, few were driven from the land. Palestine has been multi-cultural and multi ethnic from the beginning, as one can read between the lines even in the biblical narrative. Many Palestinian Jews became Christians, and in turn Muslims. Ironically, many of the forebears of Palestinian Arab refugees may well have been Jewish.’ Micheal Prior, Zionism and the State of Israel: A Moral Inquiry, Psychology Press 1999 p.201

          • How ’bout an Anglican priest and Holocaust scholar?: ‘[T]he word ‘Arab’ needs to be used with care. It is applicable to the Bedouin and to a section of the urban and effendi classes; it is inappropriate as a description of the rural mass of the population, the fellaheen. The whole population spoke Arabic, usually corrupted by dialects bearing traces of words of other origin, but it was only the Bedouin who habitually thought of themselves as Arabs. Western travelers from the sixteenth century onwards make the same distinction, and the word ‘Arab’ almost always refers to them [Bedouin] exclusively. . .Gradually it was realized that there remained a substantial stratum of the pre-Israelite peasantry, and that the oldest element among the peasants were not ‘Arabs’ in the sense of having entered the country with or after the conquerors of the seventh century, had been there already when the Arabs came.’ James Parkes, Whose Land? A History of the Peoples of Palestine,(1949) rev.ed.Penguin, 1970 pp.209-210

          • How ’bout the 1911 Encylopedia? ‘The pure Arab origin of the Bedouins is recognized in common conversation in the country, the word “Arab” being almost restricted to denote these wanderers, and seldom applied to the dwellers in towns and villages…The sedentary population of the country villages – the fellahin, or agriculturists – is, on the whole, comparatively unmixed; but traces of various intrusive strains assert themselves. It is by no means unreasonable to suppose that there is a fundamental Canaanite element in this population: the “hewers of wood and drawers of water” often remain undisturbed through successive occupations of a land; and there is a remarkable correspondence of type between many of the modern fellahin and skeletons of ancient inhabitants which have been recovered in the course of excavation.’ —Encyclopedia Britannica, 1911

          • How ’bout the Encyclo-freaking-pedia Britannica?: ‘The process of Arabization and Islamization was gaining momentum there. It was one of the mainstays of Umayyad power and was important in their struggle against both Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula…. Conversions arising from convenience as well as conviction then increased. …. The predominantly Christian population gradually became predominantly Muslim and Arabic-speaking. At the same time, during the early years of Muslim control of the city, a small permanent Jewish population returned to Jerusalem after a 500-year absence.’ Encyclopædia Britannica, Palestine,’From the Arab Conquest to 1900

          • How ’bout a Polish mass murderer? ‘David Ben-Gurion [actual Polish name: Grunn] and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi claimed that the population at the time of the Arab conquest was mainly Christian, of Jewish origins, which underwent conversion to avoid a tax burden, basing their argument on ‘the fact that at the time of the Arab conquest, the population of Palestine was mainly Christian, and that during the Crusaders’ conquest some four hundred years later, it was mainly Muslim. As neither the Byzantines nor the Muslims carried out any large-scale population resettlement projects, the Christians were the offspring of the Jewish and Samaritan farmers who converted to Christianity in the Byzantine period; while the Muslim fellaheen in Palestine in modern times are descendants of those Christians who were the descendants of Jews, and had turned to Islam before the Crusaders’ conquest.’’ Moshe Gil, A History of Palestine,634-1099 Cambridge University Press, (1983) 1997 pp.222-3

          • How ’bout the British Mandate authorities?: ‘For the sake of convenience it is usual to speak of the Moslem population as “Arabs”, though the actual Arab element in the blood of the people is probably confined to what is really a landed aristocracy, the vast majority of the population, both Moslem and Christian being of mixed blood and largely consisting of indigenous races which have occupied the country [Wait for it!] from time immemorial.’

            Like I said, Issrael has an invented ‘narrative’ while Palestine has the actuals documented record.

            Zion heil, maggot!

          • Every year a different conclusion. Hell! I’ve seen one study that says that Jews are Romans: tinyurl [dot] com/y5gzz47d.

            Meanwhile, the native Muslim and Christian population — whether as untermenschen citizens inside the legal 1949 borders of Apartheid Israel or as the either the Diaspora or those under military occupation in their own country — has absolutely no need whatsoever to prove their Middle Eastern origin by finding a single gene. It’s obvious wher they come from.

            Face your intellectual challenge: demonstrate how it is that Ashkenazi whites are Middle Eastern brown people. Playing genetic games clearly doesn’t mean anything.

            You only have to understand that Europeans are Europeans, Bantu are Bantu, Chinese are Chinese to know that a Pole like Benzion Mileikowsky could only be considered Middle Eastern in a drug-induced fantasy.

          • How ’bout the hard sciences and a standard university textbook?: ‘Palestinians are an indigenous people who either live in, or originate from, historical Palestine. Although the Muslims guaranteed security and allowed religious freedom to all inhabitants of the region, the majority converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture.’ Peter D. Turnpenny et al., ‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.

          • C’mon, sweetheart! When are YOU going to cite a single independent source telling us how Poles are native to the Middle East!

            Zionists are such idiots!

      • I eagerly await ANY historical connection between Polish Ashkenazi and the Ancient Hebrews! 🙂

        Remember, honey, Apartheid Israel has a fake ‘narrative’ while Palestine has the actual documented record. I eagerly await the first historical connection between Poles and ancient Hebrews ever made. 🙂

    • Sucked-from-Goebbels’-rigid-member slander is the best you can do??? You reveal yourself as a mindless wannabe Nazi saying that the aim of over a billion people is to eliminate Jews. For your information, I myself have Jewish ancestry. My family has always recognized that Zionism, the cooptation of the ideas of 19th-century anti-semitism, is a cancer on the Jewish soul.

      • Yeah – I have met Jew-hating Jews before – usually uber-left wing commies. There is no defence of Palestine’s actions!
        That is all!

        • Of course there is a defence of Palestinian resistance to foreign colonialism! It’s called patriotism.

          Zion heil, Nazi scum!

          • Hilarious!
            This is Not patriotism by the Palestinians (they call for the destruction of Israel – we rarely hear of them wanting a nation)
            – it is programmed hatred of all jews,
            and constant war to destroy a legal and legitimate nation.

            [why do you feel the need to use personal and ad hominem insult in all your replies….]

          • The illegal creation of the state of Israel was based on the destruction of the state of Palestine. Why do I feel the need to address idiot, scumbag Nazis as idiot, scumbag Nazis? Because I am honest.

          • Wow – you really do just hate !!
            Not illegal! (see how that works??~!)

            ….very telling that you have to constantly resort to personal attacks (hang out with Hamas much…)

          • I hate Nazis like you.

            Of course the creation of Apartheid Israel was illegal! It certainly had nothing to do with the non-binding UN recommendation that Britain partition Palestine.

          • OF course! No other country on the planet puts an adjective on the kind of democracy it pretends to be, only Apartheid Israel.

            Since Zionist ideology is a wholesale borrowing of 19th-century anti-semitism, it proposes that Jews are racially distinct from non-Jews. This language has fallen out of fashion since WWII, but it is still basic to the idea.

            ZIon heil!

          • Zionism says that Jews, like all other peoples, have a right to self-determination in their own homeland. It has nothing to do with racial distinction – especially since Jews aren’t even a race! Your ignorance knows no bounds!

          • Ever hear of the League of Nations? That’s who gave the land from the River to the Sea to the Jews. They also gave the rest of the land they conquered from the Ottoman Empire in WWI to the Arabs. Have a problem with that, too? As to apartheid, how many Jews are there in those Arabs countries? How many Arab Muslims, Arab Christians, Ba’hai’s, etc in Israel, living as full citizens?

            The UN does not have the authority to create nations. And, the partition resolution was in direct violation of the UN Charter.

          • Nice fantasy! Too bad that the LON gave Jews no land whatsoever. You really SHOULD read up more on your history!

            Thank you for pointing out that the UN hasn’t got the authority to create nations. You are quite right that the partition recommendation was a violation of Palestine’s right to self-determination.

          • Nice fantasy! Too bad that the LON gave Jews no land whatsoever. You really SHOULD read up more on your history!

            Thank you for pointing out that the UN hasn’t got the authority to create nations. You are quite right that the partition recommendation was a violation of Palestine’s right to self-determination.

          • Read it. Read the post-WWI treaties. Read the League of Nations legal decisions. Palestine was most definitely a state.

          • Palestine was never a state! It was the name of the region that was set aside for the Jews, and the name the British assumed the new Jewish state would be called. The Brits were given temporary authority to help set up the infrastucture needed for the state to be independent – issuing stamps, issuing passports, etc.

          • THe State of Palestine was recognized by the League of Nations, the signatories to the post-WWI treaties and by the Permanent Court of International Justice and an International Court of Arbitration in 1925.

            Again, puppy, show me one legal instrument where it says IN BLACK AND WHITE that the Mandate was to set up a Jewish state. While you are doing that, please explain how it is that every White paper produced gave the Mandatee’s position as being NO JEWSISH STATE.

            Chop, chop!

          • Please provide the requisite documentation for your allegation that Palestine was anything other than the Land of the Jews.

          • YOU are the one alleging that the Mandate says that a Jewish state was intended. I have asked you to cite ANY part of the Mandate specifically calling for a Jewish state. You cannot provide any, so you try to change the subject.

            Again — CHOP the FVCK CHOP: Please provide a single citation calling for a Jewish state in the British Mandate.

          • ‘The Permanent Court of International Justice and an International Court of Arbitration established by the Council of the League of Nations handed down rulings in 1925 which determined that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created successor STATES of the Ottoman Empire whose sovereignty was in abeyance until such time as they would be recognised as independent of the Mandatory.’ (Marjorie M. Whiteman, Digest of International Law, vol. 1, U.S. State Department (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1963) pp 636, 650–652)

          • http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp

            “The Council of the League of Nations:
            Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

            Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

            Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

            Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

            Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

            Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions;”

          • EXACTLY! The Mandate gives no land to the colonists. It offered to help them in the acquisition of waste land and in the small quantity of state land in Palestine. Nothing more.

          • There were no colonists! The Mandate doesn’t say anything like what you allege. And the land to be given to the Jews consisted of the entire region of Palestine. Britain finessed 78% of it to give to the Arabs in payment of the Brits war promises. That created the Arab state of Jordan. And the Mandate didn’t offer to help, it gave the Jews the land!

          • The Zionist scum identified themselves as colonists. The British Mandate autorities identified the Zionist scum as colonists. The Zionist scum department for settling Jews in Palestine was called the COLONIZATION department.

            Please show the text in the Mandate that allots all of Mandate Palestine (which never included Jordan) to the Zionist colonist scum.

          • If the Zionist scum were not colonists in Palestine, why would the spiritual grandfather of Benyamin Netanyahu’s Likud party, the Mussolini-loving Ukrainian Vladimir Jabotinsky, write that ‘We cannot give any compensation for Palestine, neither to the Palestinians nor to other Arabs. Zionist COLONIZATION, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the NATIVE population’?–The Iron Wall, 1923

          • If the Zionist scum were not colonists in Palestine, why did the Polish colonist David Grün (fake ‘Hebrew-sounding’ name: Ben-Gurion) claim ‘We have come as Europeans’? (David Ben Gurion, 1934. Segev, One Palestine, Complete, p. 153, op. cit.: ‘Ben Gurion to Wauchope, 29 to 30 July 1934, Central Zionist Archive number S/25/16/1).

          • If the Zionist scum were not colonists in Palestine, why did the self-hating Jew Theodore Herzl write to Cecil Rhodes in 1902 ‘You are the only man who can help me now….it is a big- some say, too big –thing. To me, it does not seem too big for Cecil Rhodes… You are being invited to make history…It is not in your accustomed line; it doesn’t involve Africa but a piece of Asia Minor, not Englishmen but Jews…How do I happen to turn to you seeing this matter so remote to you? How? BECAUSE IT IS COLONIAL, and because it presupposes an understanding of a development that requires 20 to 30 years…put the stamp of your authority on the Zionist plan…’

          • If the Zionist scum were not colonists in Palestine, why did Mordecai HaCohen explain the warm relations between European visitors and dignitaries on the one hand and the Jewish colonists on the other by saying ‘we Jews being the only Europeans in the country’?

          • If the Zionist scum were not colonists in Palestine, why did Ukrainian Vladimir Jabotinsky write ‘We Jews have nothing in common with what is called the “Orient,” thank God.’?

          • If the Zionist scum were not colonists in Palestine, why did Berl Katznelson, a Jewish Agency leader, write in 1937 ‘Never before has the WHITE MAN [!] undertaken COLONIZATION with that sense of justice and social progress which fills the Jew who comes to Palestine.’

          • If the Zionist scum were not colonists in Palestine, why was the Jewish Agency’s department for Jewish settlement in Palestine called the COLONIZATION department?

          • If the Zionist scum were not colonists in Palestine, why did Vladimir Jabotinsky, spiritual grand-daddy of Likud, write in 1923 ‘Zionism is a COLONIZING adventure and, therefore, it stands or falls on the question of armed forces.’

          • If the Zionist scum were not colonists in Palestine, why did the Second Zionist Congress establish the Jewish COLONIAL Trust–now Bank Leumi–as the Zionist Organization’s financial instrument?

          • Because that was the concept and language used in the 19th century. But the Class A Mandate system created states, not colonies, and the Mandate for Palestine (the name of the region) was a Class A Mandate for the purpose of creating a Jewish state.|

            And that is my last response to you. Your extreme level of antisemitism makes it impossible for you to respond rationally, so it is a waste of time to explain reality to you.

          • Of course as always, you can never cite any language in the Mandate calling for a Jewsih state. I have pointed to the White Paper of 1922 clearly rejecting a Jewish state. I have pointed to the Zionist Agency’s agreeing that the Mandate does not call for a Jewish state. I have referred to British Mandate reports like that of the ‘Disturbances of May, 1921’ report mentioning the zionist scum obsession with the ‘absurd’ idea of a Jewish state. All to no avail because you live in a lunatic-fringe alternate reality where facts that get in the way of your ‘narrative’ are deemed anti-semitic.

            Zion heil!

          • The White Papers were not legal documents, and were ultimately rejected.

            From the Mandate: “Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

            Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; ”

            http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.htm

          • The White Papers were very much legal documents. Denial is an essential part of Zionism. And again, NOTHING about creating a Jewish state.

          • They were policy papers – not law.

            If the Mandate wasn’t for the creation of a state for the Jews, what was it for? Please support with quotes from the Mandate.

          • They were policy papers that made absolutely clear that the British government at NO TIME WHATSOEVER considered the instalation of a Jewish state in Palestine.

            YOU are the one saying that the intention was to create a Jewish state. Support it with quotes from the Mandate. BE SPECIFIC. Highlight the sentences that mention the word ‘sovereignty’, ‘Jewish state’, ‘homeland’ or ‘rights’ given to the Zionist colonists.

            Chop, chop!

          • YOU are the one saying that the intention was to create a Jewish state. Support it with quotes from the Mandate. BE SPECIFIC. Highlight the sentences that mention the word ‘sovereignty’, ‘Jewish state’, ‘homeland’ or ‘rights’ given to the Zionist colonists.

            Chop, chop!

          • The Mandate for Palestine was a Class A Mandate. Class A Mandates were for the creation of new states. The only people mentioned in the Mandate are the Jews. If you can prove otherwise, please do. In the meantime, here’s a lesson in Class A Mandates:

            Class A mandates

            Palestine and Transjordan

            Syria and Lebanon

            Mesopotamia (draft)

            Iraq treaty
            The three class A mandates of Palestine and Transjordan, Syria and Lebanon and Mesopotamia. The Mesopotamia mandate was not enacted and was replaced by a treaty with the Kingdom of Iraq.
            The first group, or Class A mandates, were territories formerly controlled by the Ottoman Empire that were deemed to “… have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.”
            The Class A mandates were:
            • Palestine (United Kingdom), from 29 September 1923 – 15 May 1948.[13][14][15] In April 1921, Transjordan provisionally became an autonomous area for 6 months but then continued to be part of the Mandate until independence.[16][17] It eventually became the independent Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan (later Jordan) on 25 May 1946. A plan for peacefully dividing the remainder of the Mandate failed. The Mandate terminated at midnight between 14 and 15 May 1948. On the evening of 14 May, the Chairman of the Jewish Agency for Palestine had declared the establishment of the State of Israel.[18] Arab states attacked the following day, marking the start of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Following the war, 75% of the area west of the Jordan River was controlled by the new State of Israel.[19] Other parts, until 1967, formed the West Bank of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the Egyptian-occupied Gaza Strip. Small slivers of territory east and south of the Sea of Galilee were held by Syria.
            From Wiki

          • No, no, no! Don’t play ‘it must mean what I wish it meant’! Show me IN THE PALESTINE MANDATE where it SAYS ‘Jewish state’. Occam’s razor says that if the name of the Mandate is Palestine, the state to be created would be called Palestine, i.e. the actual state recognized by the League of Nations.

            Chop, chop! Where does the Mandate ACTUALLY SAY Jewish state?

          • Let’s put 1 plus 1 together. The Mandate for Palestine was a Class A Mandate, which means it purpose was to create a new state. The only people mentioned by name in the Mandate are the Jews. Therefore, the Mandate’s purpose was to create a Jewish state. It doesn’t need to use those words explicitly for virtually anyone to understand this.

            Throughout history, Palestine always referred to the Land of the Jews. It never meant Arabs. It has been in currency since 135 CE, long before the Arabs even lived in the Land. In addition, the Arabs of the 19th and 20th centuries were well aware of its meaning, and did not want it applied to them. Only since 1964, when Arafat told the Arabs that they were now Palestinians, has it ever referred to anyone other than the Jews and their Land.

          • Not wink, wink, ‘it must mean’. SHOW ME AN ACTUAL LINE FROM THE MANDATE CALLING FOR A JEWISH STATE.

            chop the fvck chop!

          • Just because you demand it doesn’t mean that it has to be stated in that way.

            Let’s try again. Class A Mandate for creating a state, and the only people mentioned in it are the Jews. Where does it say that it is for any other people group?

          • In other words, you can provide NOT ONE SINGLE line in the British Mandate for Palestine that indicates a Jewish state.

            Thank you for playing!

          • YOU are the one that says that it was meant for the colonists. YOU have failed to document it. This is because your contention is mere brainwashed fantasy.

            There is no need to name who a mandate was for. The one for Mesopotamia was for the people in Mesopotamia. The one for Syria and Lebanon was for the people of Syria and Lebanon. The principle of national self-determination was a key principle that came out of WWI. The mandates were for the STATES that had already been provisionally recognized: Mesopotamia (Iraq), Syria, Lebanon and Palestine. The only thing special about the Mandate for Palestine was that it also allowed for Jews to be able to form a community within the new state of Palestine and to purchase whatever land that was still available, in the end, 5.6% of the available total ‘while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced’.

            Again, show me where it says the all of this means nothing by showing me ANYWHERE in the Mandate where it says otherwise, ignorant maggot.

          • EXACTLY! The Zionist scum were PROUD of their racist, colonial venture, an, when colonialism fell out of fashion, 1984 style, the same immigrant scum claim to be somehow ‘native’.

          • If the Zionist scum were not colonists in Palestine, why was the Palestine Jewish COLONIZATION Association such a major player in the meagre land purchases the colonists were able to make before stealing the rest in 1947-9?

          • Yes! I HAVE heard of the League of Nations. That’s one of the international bodies that recognized the statehood of Palestine:

            ‘The Permanent Court of International Justice and an International Court of Arbitration established by the Council of the League of Nations handed down rulings in 1925 which determined that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created successor STATES of the Ottoman Empire whose sovereignty was in abeyance until such time as they would be recognised as independent of the Mandatory.’ (Marjorie M. Whiteman, Digest of International Law, vol. 1, U.S. State Department (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1963) pp 636, 650–652)

            Apartheid Israel has a made-up ‘narrative’ while Palestine has the actual documented record.

          • No. Unlike you with your fake ‘narrative’, I can rely on the independent historical record:

            ‘The Permanent Court of International Justice and an International Court of Arbitration established by the Council of the League of Nations handed down rulings in 1925 which determined that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created successor STATES of the Ottoman Empire whose sovereignty was in abeyance until such time as they would be recognised as independent of the Mandatory.’ (Marjorie M. Whiteman, Digest of International Law, vol. 1, U.S. State Department (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1963) pp 636, 650–652)

            Apartheid Israel has a made-up ‘narrative’ while Palestine has the actual documented record.

            Thank you for playing, Nazi scum!

            Zion heil!

          • Read the Mandate – Palestine, as the region was called, was the newly created state of the Jews. When the British abandoned the Mandate, the Jews declared independence and named their state Israel. Never was there a legal state called Palestine.

          • I HAVE read the Mandate. No mention whatsoever of a Jewish state. The British stuck to the Mandate. It’s why the Zionists started their war of terrorism in late 1945.

          • The one created by the Mandate and recognized by the signatories of the post-WWI treaties and upheld by the League of Nations in 1925.

            You really ARE an illiterate, unread slob, aren’t you?

          • The state created by the Mandate is a Jewish state, not an Arab one. The British stole 78% of the land allocated to the Jews by the League of Nations to give to the Arabs, thereby creating Jordan. The Arabs aren’t even mentioned in the Mandate except as non-Jewish residents whose civil and religious rights are protected!

  • Let’s just see what happens when the ‘Palestinians’ finally stop their 70 year war against Israel.

    Up to now Israel has had to defend themselves against constant – CONSTANT – attacks from all of its neighbours (all dedicated to Jewish genocide) as is written in their religious books.

    If I had to constantly defend my nation and its people from this CONSTANT war, I would be doing far worse than just taking over little bits of land.

    Suppose you all get rid of Hamas and the Brotherhood et all – FIRST!!

    • How can it be a war waged on Apartheid Israel when it’s a conflict based on the aggressive foreign colonization of Palestine?

      • Each movement by Israel has been predicated on and preceded by attacks by these Palestinians – constantly funded and encouraged by every Muslim nation!!!
        When Palestine stops – so will The Israeli advances and takeovers….

        {you have an un-natural hatred of the Jews!!!}

        • I’m Jewish, Heinrich! I hate Nazism, even of a Jewish stripe, and Zionism is a form of Nazism. The biggest mistake made by Palestine’s native Christians and Muslims was to not line the shores of their homeland with field guns to sink the Zionist colonial scum in their boats back in the 1880s. No foreign colonists, no problem.

          • and you are a Jew-hater by all your posts,
            and you defend all the Muslims hatreds against Israel!!!

            Palestine has lost any and all rights to having their own nation (maybe they should start acting like civilised people instead of following their Surahs and Hadiths to kill all Jews!!!!!
            You conflate your anti-zionism with just plain jew-baiting…..

          • What a simple and moronic world you live in, Nazi scum! Anyone who disagees with the zionazi colonial project is an anti-semite, and if they are Jewish, they hate themselves! Quite the perfect hermetically sealed world of bigotry and hate you have there, Heinrich!

            Zion heil!

          • Do you know what a colonist is? Someone who comes from their home country to set up a colony elsewhere. What home state were the Jews of Europe and the Middle East coming from?

            Roughly 99% of all Jews are Zionists. So, if you claim not to be antisemitic, you are obviously lying.

          • ‘We cannot give any compensation for Palestine, neither to the Palestinians nor to other Arabs. Zionist COLONIZATION, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the NATIVE population’? –Ukrainian admirer of Mussolini, Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923

          • ‘You are the only man who can help me now….it is a big- some say, too big –thing. To me, it does not seem too big for Cecil Rhodes… You are being invited to make history…It is not in your accustomed line; it doesn’t involve Africa but a piece of Asia Minor, not Englishmen but Jews…How do I happen to turn to you seeing this matter so remote to you? How? BECAUSE IT IS COLONIAL, and because it presupposes an understanding of a development that requires 20 to 30 years…put the stamp of your authority on the Zionist plan…’ Self-hating Jew Theodore Herzl to arch-colonist Cecil Rhodes, 1902

          • ‘Never before has the WHITE MAN [!] undertaken COLONIZATION with that sense of justice and social progress which fills the Jew who comes to Palestine.’ — Berl Katznelson, Jewish Agency leader, 1937

          • ‘Zionism is a COLONIZING adventure and, therefore, it stands or falls on the question of armed forces.’ Ukrainian Mussolini lover Vladimir Jabotinsky, 1923

          • Why was the Jewish Agency’s department for Jewish settlement in Palestine called the COLONIZATION department?

          • Why did the Second Zionist Congress establish the Jewish COLONIAL Trust–now Bank Leumi–as the Zionist Organization’s financial instrument?

          • Ask the scum who were the founding fathers of the apartheid colonial entity. They were pretty darn clear about it. Why, for example, was the Palestine Jewish COLONIZATION Association such a major player in the meagre land purchases the colonists were able to make before stealing the rest in 1947-9?

        • Actually, no, Israel has attacked first each and every time…”prememptively” What a joke.

          Israel has also volated every cease fire or ‘Peace’ treaty they ever signed

  • But why are you using a photgraph from Syria war? This has nothing to do with your article. I suppose misleading is your trait.

    • It’s a shot of the Beit Hanoun neighborhood of Gaza, leveled by indiscriminate Israeli bombing, raining death and destruction. www [dot] youtube [dot] com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kYcrYud3R94

  • 1) You cannot OCCUPY land that was already your’s to begin with. 2) The conditions in Gaza are totally the fault and result of the policies of Hamas, the terrorist group currently governing Gaza. Remove Hamas and everything goes back to normal. IF Israel was really commiting genocide,why not just do it? A small nuclear blast from the middle of Gaza would accomplish this quite nicely, with minimal radiation. Why don’t they do that? They could you know. They won’t do it because Israel is not committing genocide. But keep lying about it. You and Mr. Trump can lie and lie and lie.

    • Of course EVERY single government on the planet EVERY single body of international law or court with a remit from the UN Security Council (Resolutions 242, 298, 446, 452, 468, 469, 471, 476, 478, 607, 608, 636, 641, 672, 673, 681, 694, 726, 799, 904, 2334 [23 December 2016]) to the International Court of Justice (2005 Wall Opinion) to the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention to the International Committee of the Red Cross to even Israel’s own High Court of Justice (Duweikat et al.[1979], Mara’abe v The Prime Minister of Israel [2005], Israeli HCJ 619/78 “El Tal’ia” Weekly v. Minister of Defense; Israeli HCJ 69/81 Abu Ita v. Commander of the Area of Judea and Samaria; Israeli HCJ 606/78 Ayoob v. Minister of Defense; Israeli HCJ 393/82 Jam’iat Ascan Elma’almoon Eltha’aooniah Elmahduda Elmaoolieh v. Commander of the IDF Forces in the Area of Judea and Samaria) considers you insane.

      The UNIVERSAL legal consensus is that acquisition of territory by force is jus cogens illegal, that Gaza and the West Bank are ubder belligerent foreign occupation and that Apartheid Israel hasn’t got a legal claim to so much as a single dog turd there.

      I understand that to support Apartheid Israel is to be deliberately stupid. Naturally you have challenges with your reading skills. Please reread the legal definition of genocide contained in this article.

    • It was not Israell’s land. Palestinians were living there. If you want to go back in history to Biblical times, Palestinians were still there first. If you want to claim God gave it to the Israelites, well, Palestinians are the ancestors of the Israelites, as proven by DNA. Palestinians have a closer DNA connection to ancient Israelis than modern Israelis do.

      The conditions in Gaza are the result of repeated bombings by Israel, the deliberate stealing of or opoisoning of water supplies.

      Israel wants Hamas gone. Before that they wanted the PLO gone and created Hamas to do that. Before the PLO, they just wanted the Palestinians gone. Israel always has someone to blame Just like other abusers, they always say “Look what you made us do.”

  • Israel has a right to defend itself — and certainly they will not do so by allowing bloodthirsty Palestinian moslems to continue their cowardly hit-and-run attacks, infiltration, and subversion. Also there’s not parallel of Israel to Nazi Germany, so you can give that argument up right now.

      • If that’s all you got, you’re as dishonest as this article. Problem is, people will never understand if there is an issue since liars can’t help expose themselves and their fake agenda. You and the gang at Patheos are Pathetic-os.
        Oh, and the Sunni of Jerusalem sided with Hitler and served in concentration camps, so Heil yourself.

    • Sure there is a parallel between Zionism and Nazism! They are essentially cousin ideologies that grew out of the racial ideas of 19th-century German nationalism. Only the Nazis and the Zionists saw Jewishness as being in the blood. That’s why the Zionist Federation of Germany was the only Jewish political organization the Nazis allowed. It’s why the ZFD supported the Nuremberg Laws. It’s ehy they were able to make the 1933-1939 Nazi-Zionist Cooperation Agreement. It’s why both Heydrich and Eichmann spoke of Zionism as a kindred ideology.

      Just like Israel today, Nazi Germany claimed it was only defending itself while it preyed on its neighbors.

      Birds of a festher.

      • Geesh, your ignorance knows no bounds.
        Clearly any evidence that does not fit your worldview is discarded by you.

        I had hoped that given the number of people here who have told you that you are wrong, would have caused you to actually do some real research.

        Do you have a red hat??

    • And I have a right to defend myself when I break into your home, take everything and kick you out at gunpoint. I even have the right to punish all your cousins for any resistance. OK with that? If not, then shut up.

      • You’re using an old but no less false analogy. The Jews bought all the land that they lived on and worked. Most of the Arabs living there were either renters or squatters. There was no existing Arab, or any other, sovereign nation on the land when the League of Nations designated it for the Jews. On the other hand, the British gave the Arabs 78% of the land that the League had set apart for the Jews. So, who stole what from whom?

        In addition, the Declaration of the Establishment of the Jewish State specifically asks all non-Jews to remain in place and become citizens of the new country. Many Arabs and other groups did just that. The rest either fought against the Jew – antisemitism is enshrined in the Koran – or, at the urging of the Arab League, fled of their own volition. After the war, Israel allowed 100,000 Arabs to return, and would have taken back another 100,000 if the Arab League had not forbidden it. Israel also paid every valid property claim brought to it by the Arabs. So, what was stolen?

        Finally, after recapturing Judea and Samaria in 1967, Israel, at her own expense, greatly improved the lives of the stateless Arabs, who had been abandoned by Jordan, who were living there. That land, in accordance with international law, belongs to Israel. The only ones stealing land are the Arabs!

    • Don’t you know that Palestinians are religiously diverse? They are not all Muslims. They are also Christians and Jews. Yes, Jews. Palestinian Jews were the founders of most of the liberation organizations, such as the DFLP.

      Blood thirsty. Israelis get chairs, pack picnics and bring their families to watch Israel bombing Gaza or watch snipers shoot children, elderly, disable, medical personal, etc…loudly cheering as each one hits. They chanted ‘Burn Baby Burn’ when they burned a Palestinian baby on the grill. Yeah, but its the Palestinians who are blood thirsty, eh?

      And yes, there are many many many parallels to Nazi Germany.

      When does Palestine get the right to defend itself?

  • Palestinians living in Israel rather than the territories are discriminated against, but there is no way one could call that genocide, in any sense of the term. So unless the author intends to say that Palestinians in Israel are not really Palestinian, his argument is bogus and harmful — even though what Israel is doing in the territories needs to stop.

    • There is no discrimination among any peoples based on religion or race in the are of Israel that was never part of another country.

    • It would do you a world of good to actually read the article and understand the actual legal definition of the crime of genocide.

      • Since there is no such thing as a Palestinian, just Arabs who call themselves that, genocide would be impossible.

        • See? You are at least open about being a bigoted moron! New York city council member Kalman Yeger lost his job last week for just this sort of outrageous racism. How often do you go to cross burnings?

  • Hey, totally unrelated but does every architect in the Middle East live in Dubai? It sure seems like there’s an awful lot of dull gray cinder blocks with window holes as housing. I mean, even trailer park homes have colors. Do they live in stacked gray cinder block huts because of the bombing or are they being bombed because they live in stacked gray cinder block huts? Look, the $#!T is ugly AF but I do agree that bombing them really sucks.

  • LOL!!!!! A couple of interesting facts, 1) There are more Arabs in Israel than there are Jews in Europe. 2) The population of Arabs on the south Levant has increased x6 since 1948. Further, on the south Levant, there is no shortage of Arabic Speakers, those who practice Arab and other Islamic Cultures nor in fact are Arab Christians in short supply, in fact, Israel is the only place in the middle east where the Christian population is growing, as the ancient Christian Communities are being wiped out by the fundamentalist Islamists.Sadly this Anabaptist Liar is typical of Jew Hating Liars. And sadly, some people actually listen to their hate speech.

    Given that my American Indian Family has experienced an ongoing genocide at the hands of such as this colonizer Corey and his Supraseccionist ilk, I find it amusing that his hate should spread to one of the few Indigenous Peoples who survived the Arab conquests. My Jewish Grandmother refugeed to the US in 1931 due to the Nazi Grand Mufti’s butcheries of the ancient Jewish Community of Hevron.

    But truly? This idiot thinks that Arabs are being “genocided” by Israelis? LOLOLOL!!! Wherever he got his degree from, they need to come take it back! What a stupid twit!

    • The voice of experience…. Thank you for your very perceptive and thought-provoking post. Certainly if the Israelis were interested in genocide against Pals they would round them up from within their own borders and do away with them. But that is not what they do — quite the reverse. And the thanks they get? Just more heaped-on abuse, insults, and threats from some of the most backward moslems on the planet, even after advanced medical care is used to save Pal children etc.. Bizarre. And yet the Israelis continue to provide all manner of support and aid to Pals in hopes they’ll see the light. I think I am not as optimistic as most Israelis seem to be in that regard.

    • The native Christian/Muslim population in Palestine Israel should be 14 million. You are darn tootin’ that the Nazi wannabes in Tel Aviv have always been about genocide!

      • Even the Arab Women don’t breed that prolifically. Why? When you run away from your new Sovereign, not because you are pushed out, but because you don’t want to live in the rule of a Dhemmi People, and because your own Leadership tell you to.

        • Mara, there is this thing called ‘objective reality’. I understand that it is a foreign concept to you, but you only have to go any census study to find that the estimated total population of Palestinians inside the legal 1949 borders of Nazi-imitating Apartheid Israel, the Occupied Palestinian Territories and in the diaspora is 13.05 million.

          I further understand that one have to be remarkably ignorant and stupid to support Nazi-imitating Apartheid Israel in the first place. I get that it requires slack-jawed idiocy as a matter of course. You may not have heard this before, but there were no orders for the native Muslim and Christian population to flee. What IS a matter of record is that the colonial Zionist forces began a war of terror in 1945 and turned it into a military campaign of ethnic cleansing in December of 1947.

          • Sorry buddy, as a Mil Historian, this IS my field of study, plus the fact that I have actually been there and speak the languages, and have traveled about that Land. And had you ever bothered to actually do an informed study of the “Objective Realties”, not only of the Ottoman Empire, but also of the aftermath of WW1, including the San Remo Conference and the Treaty of Sevres, as well as the Mandate for Palestine, you would know that what you just spouted is so far from objective realities as to be laughable. Further, as Jews and Samaritans are Indigenous to the South Levant, and Arabs are not, your stance is pretty hilarious. Try looking up “The Pact of Umar”, and the Rashidouan. Spouting Arab Supremacist Narratives, the propaganda terms standard to those Supremacist Narratives, and the complete reliance upon revisionist “history” and propaganda is pretty much a dead giveaway, y’know….

          • Sorry, but you are as much a military historian as I am the Easter Bunny. The objective data are with me. Like I said, go to ANY source for the world’s population of Palestinian Christians and Muslims. All put it at over 13.5 million. As a ‘military historian’ (LMAO!), you should have no trouble at all proving me wrong. Put up or shut up!

            The San Remo Conference etc. are irrelevant footnotes. Their finalization was the actual British Mandate.

      • LOL!!! So sad, but no matter how much Jew Hate spew you put out, and the fact you apparently have no clue as to what the term “Genocide” means, and seem hell bound on your fantasy, which is a rank insult to folks who have actually experienced genocide.
        To the point, you actually indulge in projected Arab behaviors, and Nakhba fantasies.

        Yet not once, have you ever considered the fate of not only the Indigenous Jews of the Levant, but their generationally repatriated cousins. You of course do realize that Arabs are Colonizers on the Levant?

        • LOL!!! So sad that you live in a Nazi-imitating world of hate and fantasy. To the point that you deny the existence of the 13.5 million Palestinians now alive. You clearly have not read this article and are most likely too stupid to understand that it has a legal definition that Apartheid Israel fully meets.

          In 1850, there were 10,000 Jews in all of Palestine. 8,000 were foreigners. That was before the admittedly colonial ZIonist movement. The ‘Jews are native to Palestine’ meme only comes into existence after 1967.

          You clearly suck your propaganda straight from Goebbels’ rigid member. It’s very Apartheid Israeli.

          Zion heil!

      • LOLOLOL!!! No, we have the Ottoman and British approximations on populations prior to 1916. Most of the Arab population actually moved into that area after 1870, peaking during the illegal Arab immigration during the 28 years of the Mandatory. Further, when a base population increases exponentially over a time frame in which it claims they are being genocided, well….you can pretty much figure the claim is bogus. Oh, and regarding the Arab flight out of the war zone created by the Arab League, and the Mufti’s Militia, well-read Mahmoud Abbas autobiography…Arabs who left tended to leave as his did. Ramle and Lydda however, were cleared out. Primarily as during the War against the invading Arab League, they were providing aid and comfort to the enemy. No one fighting in a hot war leaves an enemy stronghold bejind the frontlines. Helphie? You obviously know how to read and write. Did you miss that “How to research and validate and cite findings” class?

        • Do you know the old university history department saying? ‘Israel has a great “narrative” while Palestine has the actual historical record.’ You are living proof.

          ‘Most of the Arab population actually moved into that area after 1870, peaking during the illegal Arab immigration during the 28 years of the Mandatory’??? Then please explain how it is that, the Peel Commission report states on page 125 that “unlike the Jewish, the rise [of the Arab population] has been due in only a slight degree to immigration.” Please explain this ‘peaking immigration’ in light of the 1946 Mandate Survey of Palestine stating on pp. 210 – (tinyurl dot com/zede5f4: “Arab illegal immigration is mainly casual, temporary and seasonal” and on p. 212: “The conclusion is that Arab illegal immigration for the purpose of permanent settlement is insignificant”. While you’re at it, please explain this massive Arab immigration into Palestine when the 1946 Mandate survey (p. 185 — tinyurl dot com/zmo9umm) data for legal immigration puts the total of Arab immigrants from 1920 to 1945 at a mere 33,304.

          Apartheid Israel: ‘narrative’ sucked straight from Goebbels’ rigid member. Palestine: the ACTUAL DOCUMENTED RECORD.

  • STOP this lying!!!

    We have watched the Balfour jerks and their 70 year war – FOR 70 YEARS !!!!!!!!

    If I were Israel – I would have bulldozed ALL of Palestine by now!!!!

    This is NOT genocide by any definition – it is defence!!!

      • Thief?
        Name the thief! The UN? The British??

        and stolen from whom?
        A bunch of disparate tribes who all hated each other until they could find a common enemy?

        {shall we move on to the many small nations which were ‘illegally’ created before the iron curtain, and after the fall of Russia – let’s deflect to their ‘freedoms’}

        In 1945, what would you have suggested for the 10’s of 1000’s of Jews in 1945?? Back to the chambers….?

        • The Hol0caust was divine punishment. Jewish people had become modern day Caaninites. Atheist, promotion of ungodly values, greed… all these things Jewish people had promoted before the Hol0caust.
          It got worse after the Hol0caust. Now we have Jewish people promoting h0m0sexuality, obesity, socialism and self love.
          The Jewish people had cast aside god, and you were punished for it.
          Thankfully many Jewish people today are returning to god. They shall be spared the destruction of Israel.

        • “and stolen from whom?” People, real human beings who have lived on that land for more than 2000 years. And, if you paid attention in History of the Jewish people, many of them converted to various religions, and inter-married over the centuries, so… who is a Jew and who is a Palestinian? I am convinced that among those Israeli soldiers are terrorizing or killing, there are many who have common ancestry dating back centuries.

          I know Palestinian Christians who have title deeds to their land from the time of the Ottoman Empire. Still, for 27 years they have had to defend themselves in Israeli courts to assert their rights. And they keep being challenged. What kind of feeble-minded thief can believe that repeating a lie for decades make it true?

          Sure, land ownership laws in Israel are severe, as they are with Palestinians among themselves – you can’t easily sell your property to an Israeli Jew. But that doesn’t justify the violation of international law in the Golan Heights, the West Bank, Gaza. The frantic need to always find some kind of justification for crimes against humanity places those who do at the level of the most despicable murderers in History. Accomplices. Blood on your hands too? I will let God judge that.

          You could be a prophetic voice that amplifies God’s call to modern day Israel to return to their God, and rend their hearts. And let His people go. Children of Abraham all of them. Do we think God ONLY cared for Isaac, and not Ishmael? Who is the supplanter, the schemer, the one who steal inheritances?

          So, if I were you, I’d start REALLY praying for light and wisdom from above. And I’ll continue doing so too.

    • It is the very legal definition of genocide. I realize that it may come as a shock to you, but YOU don’t decide the legal definition.

    • “If I were Israel – I would have bulldozed ALL of Palestine by now!!!!
      This is NOT genocide by any definition – it is defence!!!”

      In what kind of demented moral vacuum do you live and breathe? In the words of Jesus: “You do not know of what spirit you speak.”

      This is exactly the kind of genocidal sentiment that Israel is playing with right now, as have all the other ethnic-cleansing movements, some of which have come up again in South Africa lately, slaughtering people because they are white. Elsewhere because of religion.

      Correction: most Palestinians are non-violent, but still suffering. Their leadership need to find solutions and unity. They need to stand up to Israel’s bribes and fake deals with diplomacy. Not rockets. (BTW, Hamas was brought up by Israel hoping to have a wedge between the PLO and other factions in order to keep them busy fighting one another. (And I’m not even kidding. Read some Israeli newspapers).

      But that doesn’t change the reality: the Palestinian resistance is allowed under international law. The Israeli occupation – and all the crimes committed for 70 years – are not. There will be hell to pay. Unless Israel aligns itself with God’s law, and they could even start with international law, which was for the most part developed to avoid a repetition of the Holocaust. But NEVER AGAIN was meant for ALL peoples and nations, not just the Jewish people. Are you paying attention?

      Look it up.

      • Why bring silly myths into the issue? Some pseudo god is not important here. [you lose all credibility immediately]

        I have for 60 years watched this 70 year war conducted by all of Israel’s neighbours –
        a war declared for the total and absolute destruction of a legitimate nation and all the peoples in that nation
        – just because it is written in their holy books!!!

        When these ‘peaceful’ Palestinians want peace and toss out Hamas – and come to a proper negotiation – then they may get their own nation for themselves…..

  • There is a threat to jewish nation. And this threat want to eradicate their existence. Have this threat changed in a course of time? Do they admit that Jewish nation should exist? No. So Israel have to do the course for them to survive. As simple as that.

  • While the article clearly makes its case that Israel is, in fact, committing a genocide against the native Christian and Muslim population of Palestine in its pursuit of latter-day lebensraum, it does not mention the special twist that makes the situation there chillingly innovative. It’s called ‘ethnocide’: the elimination of a people from history and an erasure of their presence in memory. You see it in the familiar motifs of its supporters. ‘There is no Palestine.’ ‘There never was a Palestine.’ ‘The Palestinians are an invented people.’ ‘The so-called Palestinians.’ It is no matter that the history of Palestine’s native people goes back to the Bronze Age. The desire to throw these people into a collective Orwellian memory hole stems, I believe, from Tony Judt’s point that Zionism is an historical anachronism — a colonial enterprise entered into after the sell-by date of colonialism itself has expired. The act of colonization — something that Israel’s founders were PROUD of — cannot be admitted to, for it would open the act to moral questioning. Thus it never happened. ‘Israel always has been Jewish’ and Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

    The next time you see reference to the ‘so-called Palestinians’, think of how Israel is trying to do the Third Reich one ‘better’. At least the Hitlerites acknowledged that Jews exist. Israel can’t even allow that.

      • How ’bout a standard university history textbook written by the Kahanoff Chair Professor of Israel Studies at the University of Calgary, 2003-2006, and President of the Association for Israel Studies, 2005-2007? ‘Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since the seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture.’–Dowty, Alan (2008). Israel/Palestine. London, UK: Polity. p. 221

      • How ’bout a Catholic theologian and historian?: ‘While population transfers were effected in the Assyrian, Babylonian and Persian periods, most of the indigenous population remained in place [during the Muslim Conquest]. Moreover, after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 the population by and large remained in situ, and did so again after Bar Kochba’s revolt in AD 135. When the vast majority of the population became Christian during the Byzantine period, no vast number were driven out, and similarly in the seventh century, when the vast majority became Muslim, few were driven from the land. Palestine has been multi-cultural and multi ethnic from the beginning, as one can read between the lines even in the biblical narrative. Many Palestinian Jews became Christians, and in turn Muslims. Ironically, many of the forebears of Palestinian Arab refugees may well have been Jewish.’ Micheal Prior, Zionism and the State of Israel: A Moral Inquiry, Psychology Press 1999 p.201

      • How ’bout an Anglican priest and Holocaust scholar?: ‘[T]he word ‘Arab’ needs to be used with care. It is applicable to the Bedouin and to a section of the urban and effendi classes; it is inappropriate as a description of the rural mass of the population, the fellaheen. The whole population spoke Arabic, usually corrupted by dialects bearing traces of words of other origin, but it was only the Bedouin who habitually thought of themselves as Arabs. Western travelers from the sixteenth century onwards make the same distinction, and the word ‘Arab’ almost always refers to them [Bedouin] exclusively. . .Gradually it was realized that there remained a substantial stratum of the pre-Israelite peasantry, and that the oldest element among the peasants were not ‘Arabs’ in the sense of having entered the country with or after the conquerors of the seventh century, had been there already when the Arabs came.’ James Parkes, Whose Land? A History of the Peoples of Palestine,(1949) rev.ed.Penguin, 1970 pp.209-210

      • How ’bout the hard sciences and a standard university textbook?: ‘Palestinians are an indigenous people who either live in, or originate from, historical Palestine. Although the Muslims guaranteed security and allowed religious freedom to all inhabitants of the region, the majority converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture.’ Peter D. Turnpenny et al., ‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700

      • How ’bout the Encyclopedia Britannica?: ‘The process of Arabization and Islamization was gaining momentum there. It was one of the mainstays of Umayyad power and was important in their struggle against both Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula…. Conversions arising from convenience as well as conviction then increased. …. The predominantly Christian population gradually became predominantly Muslim and Arabic-speaking. At the same time, during the early years of Muslim control of the city, a small permanent Jewish population returned to Jerusalem after a 500-year absence.’ Encyclopædia Britannica, Palestine,’From the Arab Conquest to 1900

      • How ’bout the 1911 Encylopedia? ‘The pure Arab origin of the Bedouins is recognized in common conversation in the country, the word “Arab” being almost restricted to denote these wanderers, and seldom applied to the dwellers in towns and villages…The sedentary population of the country villages – the fellahin, or agriculturists – is, on the whole, comparatively unmixed; but traces of various intrusive strains assert themselves. It is by no means unreasonable to suppose that there is a fundamental Canaanite element in this population: the “hewers of wood and drawers of water” often remain undisturbed through successive occupations of a land; and there is a remarkable correspondence of type between many of the modern fellahin and skeletons of ancient inhabitants which have been recovered in the course of excavation.’

      • How ’bout a Polish mass murderer? ‘David Ben-Gurion [actual Polish name: Grunn] and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi claimed that the population at the time of the Arab conquest was mainly Christian, of Jewish origins, which underwent conversion to avoid a tax burden, basing their argument on ‘the fact that at the time of the Arab conquest, the population of Palestine was mainly Christian, and that during the Crusaders’ conquest some four hundred years later, it was mainly Muslim. As neither the Byzantines nor the Muslims carried out any large-scale population resettlement projects, the Christians were the offspring of the Jewish and Samaritan farmers who converted to Christianity in the Byzantine period; while the Muslim fellaheen in Palestine in modern times are descendants of those Christians who were the descendants of Jews, and had turned to Islam before the Crusaders’ conquest.’’ Moshe Gil, A History of Palestine,634-1099 Cambridge University Press, (1983) 1997 pp.222-3

      • WHat exaggeration? It is merely the general academic consensus. Not sure? How ’bout the British Mandate authorieis? ‘For the sake of convenience it is usual to speak of the Moslem population as “Arabs”, though the actual Arab element in the blood of the people is probably confined to what is really a landed aristocracy, the vast majority of the population, both Moslem and Christian being of mixed blood and largely consisting of indigenous races which have occupied the country [Wait for it!] from time immemorial.’ — Sir Philip Palin, Report on Nebi Musa Disturbances, April 1920

  • The Jews have been living in the area for about 3,000 years. They are the indigenous people. The Arabs didn’t arrive until a bit less than 1,400 years ago.

    What the so-called Palestinians are trying to do to Israel is genocide. Palestinians are just Arabs that live in what the Romans called Palestine, named after the defunct country of Philistia. There is no country called Palestine nor an ethnic group called Palestinians.

    How are they committing genocide?

    BTW, what you are talking about is occupied Jordan, not technically part of Israel.

    • The ANCIENT HEBREWS lived there 3,000 years ago. They were dark-skinned Middle Easterners, not white Europeans. Jews are members of a religion, not a nation. The idea that they were a nation was an idea invented by a self-hating Jew named Herzl. Only the Zionists and the Nazis saw Jews as a race. It’s why the Zionist Federation of Germany was the only Jewish political organization the Nazis tolerated. It’s why the ZFD SUPPORTED the Nuremberg Laws. It’s why they were able to break the international Jewish BDS effort against Nazi Germany and make the Nazi-Zionist Cooperation Agreement.

      • There are still ethnic Jews living in the area—dark skinned Middle Easterners.

        As I said previously, the Hasmonean dynasty is well documented:

        The Hasmonean dynasty (/ˌhæzməˈniːən/ (audio); Hebrew: חַשְׁמוֹנַּאִים‬, Ḥashmona’im) was a ruling dynasty of Judea and surrounding regions during classical antiquity. Between c. 140 and c. 116 BCE the dynasty ruled Judea semi-autonomously from the Seleucids.

        It is also well documented that Jews lived in the area during the 1st and 2nd centuries CE. The Jewish revolt in 66 CE and the 2nd Jewish revolt in 132 CE. Not to mention the Jewish sect, the Essenes, who produced the Dead Sea Scrolls.

        There is plenty of proof that the ethnic Jews predated the Arabs.

        The truth that many of the diaspora Jews who lived in Europe for centuries chose to return to Israel after its creation is not in any way evidence that there were not already ethnic Jews living in the area.

    • There were peoples other than Israelites living in these regions over many more centuries than 1400 years. (Your number of 1400 comes from the beginning of Islam, but the Arabs as a group of peoples long predates that.) Also, the Torah explicitly claims and asserts that the Israelites are NOT indigenous to the land, not in the normative sense of indigenous as you are using it. It’s simply worthless to argue about who is more indigenous, either way, on behalf of either group’s indigenousness. We have no real idea who are the ancestors of the Palestinians — some may have arrived 1400 years ago or less, some may have been there before Israelite religion formed, and quite a few Palestinians ancestors were probably Jewish people who may have converted under Islam or married into the group, which would make their descendants just as indigenous as any of the people you claim are more indigenous. So it’s all ridiculous.

      • So, we only have records of the Canaanites, the Israelites, the Philistines, and Moabites. You whole position is based on your desire that the Bible be completely false and of no value. That is just your bias showing. Until you present evidence that the tribe that moved into Canaan was NOT the Israelites, everyone will assume that it is the Israelites.

        • The universal academic consensus — remember? Palestine’s native Christian and Muslim core population dates back to the Bronze Age. Simply find me a mainstream, non-lunatic-fringe, peer-reviewed piece saying anything different.

          As an illiterate moron, you can do no such thing.

          • Academics are universally agreed that there were no Muslims prior to 600 CE and there were no Muslims in Israel prior to about 700 CE.

            You can find hundreds of peer reviewed papers on the beginnings of Islam.

            I am glad you finally realize that you are an illiterate moron.

            The Jewish people have been there for at least 5,000 years, and likely much longer. You can find peer reviewed papers on that as well.

          • I get that you never fiished high school, darling. The native population CONVERTED to Islam. Thank you for proving my point that you cannot point to even a single academic source to back up your jibbering-idiot racial fantasy.

            Zion heil and try to get a GED at least.

          • What happens, do you wake up every once in a while an notice that people are actually starting to think you have an brains, so you come on here and act incredibly stupid?

            It is no my fantasy, it is what most of the world knows as reality. You are the one with, how did you say it, oh yes, jibbering-idiot racial fantasy.

            I have 100 times the education you have. You make Donald ‘john’ Trump look smart.

          • Yes. I get that, by your typing, you post while drunk. Yes. I get that you live in an uneducated and bigoted artificial reality. Yes. I get that you STILL cannot come up with a SINGLE academic source for your ignorant, lunatic-fringe ravings. In short, I get that you haven’t finished high school and are compensating for your wasted life by hating.

            Zion heil!

          • Why do you always talk about yourself?
            You can’t produce a single academic source for your idiocy. I am not going to bother to research to post information that you, in your fanaticism, are going to ignore.

            Besides, I AM an academic source. Given that I have about 375 more post secondary credits than you do, assuming you even finished high school, some thing that is doubtful at best.

            However, if we keep this up, I have high hopes that you will at least learn to produce quality insults instead of the 3rd grade level insults you do produce.

          • Gee! So much shouting to cover up the fact that you cannot produce a SINGLE academic reference to support your idiotic claims! You’re hilarious!

            Finish grade school, dropout!

          • You are the one with the idiot claims without a single academic reference to support them. You are uneducated and I have 2 bachelors degrees and 2 masters degrees.

            That make ME an academic resource. All you can ever do it is insult people. You say NOTHING that is real, just stupid 3rd grade level insults. They are not improving, if anything they are getting repetitive and worse.

            Try finding some new insults.

      • Note: I have said that Jews have lived there continuously for 3,000 years. If you want to get technical, there are no indigenous peoples anywhere outside of Africa. The Jews have the best claim to being indigenous of any modern peoples.

        There is no such thing as a Palestinian prior to the 20th century. The country of “Palestine” is Philistia where the Philistines lived more than 2,000 years ago.

      • Except, if you simply consult with any standard academic history, there is a general consensus — from the Encyclopedia Britannica to Israeli scholars to most Jewish and non-Jewish scholars, that the bulk of the population traces back to Canaanite times having converted, reformed, mixed with passing horny soldiers.

    • You are quite correct, Alicia. However, Judea and Samaria, what Jordan called the West Bank, is legally part of Israel, and is currently occupied by stateless Arabs.

      • Actually, EVERY single government on the planet EVERY single body of international law or court with a remit from the UN Security Council (Resolutions 242, 298, 446, 452, 468, 469, 471, 476, 478, 607, 608, 636, 641, 672, 673, 681, 694, 726, 799, 904, 2334 [23 December 2016]) to the International Court of Justice (2005 Wall Opinion) to the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention to the International Committee of the Red Cross to even Israel’s own High Court of Justice (Duweikat et al.[1979], Mara’abe v The Prime Minister of Israel [2005], Israeli HCJ 619/78 “El Tal’ia” Weekly v. Minister of Defense; Israeli HCJ 69/81 Abu Ita v. Commander of the Area of Judea and Samaria; Israeli HCJ 606/78 Ayoob v. Minister of Defense; Israeli HCJ 393/82 Jam’iat Ascan Elma’almoon Eltha’aooniah Elmahduda Elmaoolieh v. Commander of the IDF Forces in the Area of Judea and Samaria) agrees that the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem are under belligerent foreign occupation and Israel hasn’t got a legal claim to so much as a blade of grass there.

  • It’s terrifying how many scary, stupid people are out there. Apparently, a lot of them subscribe to this blog. Thank you for self-identifying.

    • “Christian” fundamentalists hate the truth. Jews seek the truth. I am a progressive ELCA Lutheran and I also seek the truth. You seem to ignore the truth.

      • Alicia, read the article: “Does the term apartheid fit Israel? Of course it does” from the Los Angeles Times. Or, you can go on You Tube and watch: “Israel Persecutes Christians” form a 60 Minutes documentary. Better yet, go to israel and talk to Palestinians. Stop living in ignorance!

  • the idiotic author of this piece of garbage conveniently leaves out many things like the constant attacks by Palestinians on Israel and Israeli citizens. nor does he mention the Palestinian Hamas run government or their death to Israel charter. he lies about it conditions and so called illegal settlements. honestly Israel has been accused of Apartheid like conditions and genocide for so long that they probably ought to just slaughter each and every last palestinian and be done with it. but for some reason they don’t? strange? why? perhaps this quote from Golda Meir can explain it. “When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons.” or perhaps this one, “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.” I think that these two quotes sum up why Israel is not guilty of the things they claim. it is also the reason why they work so hard to not kill as many as they can. each and every time they clash the Israelis could retaliate much harder than they do. the Palestinians constantly wail and cry about the children that THEY PURPOSELY PUT IN HARMS WAY! and decry the Israelis for killing a few of their children that Hamas has purposely and deliberately placed on the battlefield. but when all is said and done the Israeli strikes are surgical in nature rather than wanton destruction. incremental genocide? yet another bullshit made up term by the left. ridiculous!

  • I’d like to suggest to all the so-called Christians on this thread that they first read Romans 11, and then the entire Tanach (Old Covenant) so that you could understand G-d’s love for the Jewish people and the Land which He gave to them.

  • Odd that Israel stopped taking the lands from Jordan, Sinai, Syria, Lebanon, (all the other neighbours) etc – only from the ‘Palestine’ lands….
    I think all logical people can see that maybe the Palestines could have their own nation when they start acting civilised…..

      • We all understand that, as an Israel apologist, your model is Joseph Goebbels, father of the Big Lie.

        Too bad that EVERY single government on the planet EVERY single body of international law or court with a remit from the UN Security Council (Resolutions 242, 298, 446, 452, 468, 469, 471, 476, 478, 607, 608, 636, 641, 672, 673, 681, 694, 726, 799, 904, 2334 [23 December 2016]) to the International Court of Justice (2005 Wall Opinion) to the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention to the International Committee of the Red Cross to even Israel’s own High Court of Justice (Duweikat et al.[1979], Mara’abe v The Prime Minister of Israel [2005], Israeli HCJ 619/78 “El Tal’ia” Weekly v. Minister of Defense; Israeli HCJ 69/81 Abu Ita v. Commander of the Area of Judea and Samaria; Israeli HCJ 606/78 Ayoob v. Minister of Defense; Israeli HCJ 393/82 Jam’iat Ascan Elma’almoon Eltha’aooniah Elmahduda Elmaoolieh v. Commander of the IDF Forces in the Area of Judea and Samaria) says that you are simply full of it.

          • Yes, I understand that Nazi-imitating Apartheid Israel prefers the legal world that enabled the Holocaust. Both the Nazis and their ideological cousins — the Zionists — SPIT on the laws put in place as a consequence of the Holocaust to prevent a repeat. It’s because the Nazis and the Zionists are cut from the same ideological cloth.

            Zion heil!

          • Of course I do! Its legal definition is covered in Article II of the International Apartheid Convention. It fits Apartheid Israel like a glove.

          • Please give the definition here, and show, point by point, how it fits Israel, keeping in mind that the Arabs in Judea and Samaria are not Israeli citizens.

          • The black natives were not citizens of the RSA, moron. That’s how apartheid works.

            There is no such entity as ‘Judea and Samaria’. It is a figment of fanatic fantasy.

      • Wow. Israel didn’t give back land to Egypt. They traded land they stole from Egypt for the land in Lebanon. They neutralized Egypt from coming to Lebanon’s defense.

        And please read the REAL Charters. Both Hamas and the PLO recognize Jewish rights and Isel.
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        • Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt. Israel didn’t trade any land with Egypt. The part of the land that Israel captured in Lebanon became a legal buffer zone. If you have proof of anything different, please provide citations.

          Neither Hamas nor the PLO recognize the legal existence of Israel. The citations I gave above are the real documents.

          • They neutralized Egypt by returning the Sinai. Egypt did not come to Lebanon;s aid when Israel invaded. The ‘buffer zone’ is the only part of Lebanon they were able to keep. Isreal went all the way to Beirut. My husband was a Hebrew Arabic translate during the war.

            If those are the real charters of the PLO and Hamas, then they are old. It was in the newws today that the PLO was thinking of reversing recognition due to Israel keeping the Golan and annexing Gaza.

          • I suppose you could say that because of the peace treaty and return of the Sinai that Israel had “neutralized” Egypt, but that is only one perspective. It certainly wasn’t done to prevent Egypt from aiding Lebanon in the future.

            Those are the actual documents. There were promises that they would be amended, but they never were. As far as the PLO’s “recognition”, they never agreed that Israel was the Jewish state, so it amounted to nothing.

    • Ever heard of the Basic Bigot Sniff Test? You simply switch the group named to see if the idea is knuckle-walking, slack-jawed bigotry or not.

      Shall we play?

      Your sentence: ‘maybe the Palestines [Sic! Why are all supporters of Apartheid Israel illiterate monkeys?] could have their own nation when they start acting civilised’ = (with changes for literacy: ‘maybe the JEWS could have their own nation when they start acting civilised’.

      The resulting sentence implies that Jews are uncivilised monkey idiots. It is clearly anti-semitic. Thus your sentence is bigoted nonsense. This is because the ruling ideology of Apartheid Israel — Zionism — is a Nazi copycat ideology.

      Zion heil, bigoted maggot!

    • Ever heard of the Basic Bigot Sniff Test? You simply switch the group named to see if the idea is knuckle-walking, slack-jawed bigotry or not.

      Shall we play?

      Your sentence: ‘maybe the Palestines [Sic!] Why are all supporters of Apartheid Israel illiterate monkeys?] could have their own nation when they start acting civilised’ = (with changes for literacy: ‘maybe the JEWS could have their own nation when they start acting civilised’.

      The resulting sentence implies that Jews are uncivilised monkey idiots. It is clearly anti-semitic. Thus your sentence is bigoted nonsense. This is because the ruling ideology of Apartheid Israel — Zionism — is a Nazi copycat ideology.

      Zion heil, bigoted maggot!

          • ad hominem – used by those without a sound foundation or beliefs.
            I have been reading this crap since the 60’s……

            Talk to your hateful muslim mates…..

          • You need to read up on the ad hominem fallacy. Like most ignorant bigots, you do not know what it is. I call maggots like you maggots because I am honest.

            Zion heil, maggot.

          • As bad as all the religionists – don’t get your way so you go straight to insult… You have shown your character, and who you defend….

          • What a sick person you are – You talk the nazi talk with all the hatreds common to their methods and yet you call everyone a nazi?

            You brave? Tell us your name and town….

          • Obsessed extremist obviously, and now you are starting to sound demented in your obsession, and possibly dangerous.
            (over the decades I was at least able to see both points of view while you are just an obnoxious hater)

          • In comparison – to you?
            I make an observation in fact and you go on an aggressive attack with personal insult —
            You have shown a hatred that is dangerous and warrants investigation.

            (You might want to start shutting down your accounts…)

          • You follow the course of all zio-maggots. With no defence for Nazi-imitating Apartheid Israel, you get the vapors at direct language.

            You are such a funny little maggot.

            Zion heil!

          • Having to resort to insult just tells us that you cannot handle
            the logic and truth of the Palestinians’ refusal to even discuss peace’
            [forcing Israel to act in these aggressive manners…]!!

          • Why should anybody negotiate when the issue is 100% clear? Nazi-butt-licking Apartheid Israel, according to EVERY government in the world, EVERY body of international law and EVERY court with a remit, has a legal claim to 0.00000000000000000% of the Occupied Palestinian Territoties. The ONLY thing that must happen is for the scum to leave.

            Zion heil, maggot.

          • When your Hamas, and Brotherhood and other terrorist scum decide to negotiate, ‘Every’ government will know!

            Right now – they all do know who is at fault for no negotiations…. regardless of all your opinions and cherry picking to defend a group which deserves no defence…

            Go talk to your own scum….I don’t really care about Israel – only about the terrorism of Islam… which you are defending…

          • What need is there to negotiate? All that has to happen is for Nazi-imitating Apartheid Israel to comply with international law.

          • Oh just stop your childish ‘nazi’ crap — you accuse everyone of being a nazi when they disagree with you – that – in and of itself – tells us all we need to know about your character and education in these matters !!

            You defend Palestine ie Hamas and terrorism !!
            That is all we see from your mouth…!

          • Nothing childish at all about calling out Nazi-imitating Apartheid Israel on its shared ideology with the Third Reich. I do not defend terrorism. Your stating that I do merely reflects the gallons of Goebbels Gonad Juice — beverage of choice among all supporters of Nazi-imitating Apartheid Israel — that you have sucked from Goebbels’ rigid member.

            Zion heil, ignorant maggot!

          • No – you are demented in your obsession with everyone being nazis in your mind – when you don’t get your way;
            you utilise the methodology of the nazis yourself with the constant irresponsible, and criminal, accusations!

            These are tactics known to be used by your ilk.

          • Simply because you reject the documented fact that, before WWII, the Nazis and the ZIonists were on the same page; simply because you reject the commonly known fact that both Nazism and Zionism are daughter ideologies of German Nationalism and anti-semitism, simply because you spout a fabricated historical ‘narrative’ that would make Joseph Goebbels proud of you does not make me in any way ‘obsessed’ by the fact that you walk, talk and goose-step like a Nazi.

            Zion heil!

          • Now we know that you are deluded in your own lies….
            there is evidence everywhere of Nazis and Priests; and Nazis and Clerics!!

            You are a radical extremist backing the Muslim ideology to just hate….

          • I am a Muslim only in your fevered imagination. The only ideology I support is basic democracy. The shared love between the Nazis and the ZIonists is well documented.

            ‘[The German government] is in agreement with the great spiritual movement within Jewry itself, Zionism, whose position is based on the recognition of the unity of Jewry throughout the world, and the rejection of all ideas of mixing in.’ Reinhard Heydrich, architect of the Final Solution, 1938, in Zionism and Anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany, Francis R. Nicosia www [dot] tinyurl [dot] com/y9uttvv8).

            ‘From a purely Zionist point of view, a pure and consistent point of view, it is not Hitler who is the enemy of the Jews and the Return to Zion, it is not Hitler who condemns us to fall into his hands time and again, but only Britain.’ — Stern Gang terrorist leader, Israel Eldad, 1940

          • Got that wrong too…!
            Where did I accuse you of being a Muslim??

            and Islam is the complete opposite of democratic principles except one – majority rules!!

            The shared love between the Nazis and the Muslims is far more documented. Not so much with the ‘zionists’….

          • Look. I understand that you are most likely the product of multiple generations of incest and thus a slack-jawed cracker MAGA moron, but you really ought to read a book sometime. Zionism’s collaboration with the Hitlerites was extensive. At least one Israeli premier —the Belorussian Yitzhak Jezernitsky (fake ‘Hebrew-sounding’ name: Shamir) —wanted to fight alongside them against Britain. There was the 1933-1939 Nazi-Zionist Cooperation agreement. Then, of course, there are their shared ideological outlooks and views — racial supremacism, military fetish, blood and soil nationalism, cult of violence, cult of victimhood, doctrine of lebensraum and genocidal drive. Now with the Jewish Power party set to enter government in Zio-Naziland, this is completely out in the open. Even Einstein made the comparison.

            Why you would think that a non-religious anti-colonial movement for national liberation whose central leadership has historically been overrepresented by Christians is a Muslim religious movement can only be caused by your less-than-grade-school education afforded you by your crack ho mom.

            Zion heil!

          • The shared love between the Nazis and the Muslims is far more documented. Not so much with the ‘zionists’….

          • Well, you are certainly well familiar with the ad hominem fallacy, you use it more than everyone else here. Even in the post about the ad hominem fallacy you use an ad hominem.

            You continued and repeated use of ad hominems, tells everyone else that your opinions and beliefs are pretty much worthless.

          • Look, Alicia, I understand that you are an unschooled moron. I feel sorry for you, so I will explain the terms. Please take notes.

            Example 1: My statement that you are unschooled. This is called a ‘logical deduction’ or an ‘observation’. It is a mere statement of observed fact based on the evidence of your posts. It has about as much emotional charge as observing the blueness of the sky.

            Example 2: My statement that you are a moron. This is called an ‘insult’. I use it to display my utter contempt for unschooled morons.

            Example 3: The ad hominem fallacy. This is ‘achieved’ when someone argues that the sky cannot be blue because the person saying that it is blue is, say, a Bible-thumping idiot, and Bible-thumping idiots are never right. The point of the fallacy is to avoid the actual subject of the discussion by shifting ‘to the man’– ad hominem. It is very frequently used these days by apologists for Israeli genocide when they call people terrorists for criticizing Israeli mass murder.

            As in our previous exchanges, the value of my postings rests in their being based on the ACTUAL DOCUMENTED RECORD, which I have no trouble linking to. Unlike indoctrinated scum like you who have a ‘faith-based’ connection to reality.

          • Since I have a LOT more schooling that you do and my IQ is a LOT higher than yours, if I am an unschooled moron (with nearly 400 credit hours of post secondary education including 2 bachelor degrees and 2 masters degrees) then that makes you.

            However, an ad hominem is an attack on the person, the truth or falsehood of the attack is irrelevant. Calling me an unschooled moron is meaningless since even an unschooled moron can actually be correct in their statements, even if only accidentally.

            All your insults do is prove that you do not have a reasonable argument against what someone has said so you resort to insults, i.e. ad hominems.

            Oh, and I also have a far more realistic view of the Biblical text than you do, your dismissal of the books of the Bible is just as bad and as foolish as the “Christian” fundamentalists who take it as literal truth.

            You are also clearly biased and tend to reject any and all facts that do not support your position and worldview.

            That pretty much makes anything you type worthless.

          • I really do enjoy how unschooled bigots believe that they can read minds via the internet! How else would you claim to know either my IQ or level of education. I WILL offer you a chance to prove your mind-reading skills however. Simply tell me the consistency of my last bowel movement — from rocky road to Bellagio Fountains. Get it right and I will believe you.

  • dom’t remember Jews attacking Hitler, Ukrainians attacking Stalin,Cambodians attacking Pol Pot=Isreal is defending itself against ROCKETS!! They gave up Gaza & what happened? MORE ROCKETS!! Get ur head ooya!

    • Israel never actually gave up Gaza. That’s the point. Gazans are now fighting for their very lives. It is Gazans that defending themselves against the invaders of Israel.

  • This guy has no clue when it comes to facts. The so called Palestinians once include Jews and Arabs that lived in the land then called Palestine and was Israel before the Romans renamed it.
    When Israel came back into existence all those Arabs were invited to be citizens but they refused because their Arab neighbors convinced them they would soon take back the land. Then when they could not these Palestinian Arabs were not allowed to settle in the neighboring Arab nations by their Arab brothers. They were not a distinct people called Palestinians until their terrorist leader, Arafat, start pushing the term.
    Israel has bent over backwards trying to accommodated these people offering them everything they wanted yet Arafat refused. Israel even removed their own people out of the area known as Gaza and turning the land, buildings, homes, gardens, orchards and all kinds of improvements to the Palestinians and these people were so grateful (sarcasm) they destroyed all the improvements because they wanted nothing of the Jews. Then they turned around and rained thousands of rockets down on the Jews.
    No this guy is clueless and too many are blind to the truth.

        • Since Apartheid Israel has only an invented ‘narrative’ while Palestine has the actual documented record, lunatic-fringe fanatics like Bwyan’s only option is to try to ban those with the actual historical record: if you can’t win the argument, shut down the other speaker. The McCarthyite tactics demonstrate the testicularly-challenged position of the supporters of Apartheid Israel. They are finding out, like Bwyan, that the artificial reality they live in simply doesn’t fly any more in the real world and want to silence any voices of sanity. Nobody buys the idea that calling out Apartheid Israel as a Nazi wannabe state is in any way, shape or form anti-semitic when Apartheid Israel is so obviously goose-stepping its way into a dystopian racialist nightmare state in the process of fulfilling the ideology of Zionism.

  • Genocide? How laughable. If I was in charge, after the first kassam was launched, I would have eradicated those rats with impunity.

    • Of course you would. You need to see them as sub human so that you can justify taking their land and attempting to destroy them as a people. The hatred that so many Americans have for African- Americans, and that white people in our intermountain west see our indigenous. It’s necessary to see them a subhuman in order to justify the wrongs that have been done to them. Welcome to the club schmuck.

  • Wow!! So defending one’s country is now genocide!? If the moslem world, especially the made up people of the made up state of palestine laid down their arms, there’d be peace that very day; if Israel laid down their, that very day the arab world would wipe them off the face of the planet!

    • Hmmm how long has Israel had a country? Oh only about 70 years. How long has Palestine been a country on the same land that Israel is claiming as theirs? Oh maybe a couple of thousand years longer than Israel. Who has an army, navy and airforce? Oh now that would be Israel. Who does not have an army navy and airforce? Wow hard question… Could it be Palestine? Of course it is genocide when one side fights back with slingshots. Made up state my arse you ignorant, no knowledge of history idiot

  • You are a very sick human being and vile Antisemite with no understanding of the full context, history, and scope of the conflict. Some genocide with the Palestinian Muslim population growing. That’s a first, but I notice you also didn’t allude to the pesky fact that these same Arab Muslims (look up all the cases in history where they refer to themselves as 1 Arab nation) have ethnically cleansed more Jews from the vast Arab world that outnumbers Israel 1000 to 1. How about their dispossessed status? How about their loss of land, rights and freedoms? I see you also didn’t include the pesky nugget that these same Arab Muslims fought with and coordinated with Hitler during the Holocaust. Look up the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and all his nefarious activities. So you mean to tell me, you exclude all that, and the very obvious fact that the sole Jewish state the size of NJ has millions of minorities and Arab Muslims while the vast Arab world has truly been ethnically cleansed of Jews and all religious minorities, but it’s tiny Israel that is guilty of apartheid and genocide. You make me absolutely sick and should be ashamed of yourself to spread such vile lies and filth. Grow a brain, read more, and educate yourself, instead of falling for the propaganda of Arafat the Egyptian and Hamas, hook, line, and sinker. One more point, there was never an Independent Muslim nation of Palestine in history at all. There was, and is, an Israel, however, as well as Jerusalem, which has been the capital of the Jewish people for 3000 plus years. Israel has actually given back quite a bit of land. The original mandate said they could reside and recreate a homeland in all of the geographic area of Palestine, which includes modern day Jordan, the real Muslim Pal state if they can’t live in peace and with Jews. Israel willingly accepted them lopping Jordan off from the mandate. Modern Israel is still only a fraction of Biblical Israel and Israel has also given back even more land in Gaza and parts of Judea and Samaria (the ill named West Bank for stupid liberals). If you bothered to read at all, you’d know the term Palestinian as far as a national group was hijacked by the Egyptian, Arafat, to describe yet another Judenrhein Muslim nationality that never existed before 1967. Of course you left that out too. The most vile lie of all is referring to only Muslims as indigenous people. Israel contains the oldest Jewish communities in the world and Jews are just as indigenous as Muslims, probably far more so actually. Just check the impartial British census stats upon Israel’s rebirth to see how Muslims unfairly inflate stats and apply a definition to refugees never used before in recorded human history. It’s all a total sham and for you to be spreading the lies, smears, and propaganda of Islamist extremists is the height of pure idiocy, spitting on Jews, spitting on victims of the Holocaust, and an utter disgrace. Wake the hell up!

        • Indeed I do. I actually know the history, not some regugitated Goebbels’Gonad Juice — beverage of every apologist for Apartheid Israel. I go by the old university history department saying that while Israel has a great ‘narative’, Palestine has the actual documented record. It has never failed to prove correct.

          • Unadulterated BS. All the archaelogy, history, & Holy Books point to Israel, not some phony narrative dreamt up by Arafat the Egyptian in 1967

          • How ’bout the British Mandate authorities?: ‘For the sake of convenience it is usual to speak of the Moslem population as “Arabs”, though the actual Arab element in the blood of the people is probably confined to what is really a landed aristocracy, the vast majority of the population, both Moslem and Christian being of mixed blood and largely consisting of indigenous races which have occupied the country [Wait for it!] from time immemorial.’ — Sir Philip Palin, Report on Nebi Musa Disturbances, April 1920.

          • How ’bout a Polish mass murderer? ‘David Ben-Gurion [actual Polish name: Grunn] and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi claimed that the population at the time of the Arab conquest was mainly Christian, of Jewish origins, which underwent conversion to avoid a tax burden, basing their argument on ‘the fact that at the time of the Arab conquest, the population of Palestine was mainly Christian, and that during the Crusaders’ conquest some four hundred years later, it was mainly Muslim. As neither the Byzantines nor the Muslims carried out any large-scale population resettlement projects, the Christians were the offspring of the Jewish and Samaritan farmers who converted to Christianity in the Byzantine period; while the Muslim fellaheen in Palestine in modern times are descendants of those Christians who were the descendants of Jews, and had turned to Islam before the Crusaders’ conquest.’’ Moshe Gil, A History of Palestine,634-1099 Cambridge University Press, (1983) 1997 pp.222-3

          • How ’bout the Encyclo-freaking-pedia Britannica?: ‘The process of Arabization and Islamization was gaining momentum there. It was one of the mainstays of Umayyad power and was important in their struggle against both Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula…. Conversions arising from convenience as well as conviction then increased. …. The predominantly Christian population gradually became predominantly Muslim and Arabic-speaking. At the same time, during the early years of Muslim control of the city, a small permanent Jewish population returned to Jerusalem after a 500-year absence.’ Encyclopædia Britannica, Palestine,’From the Arab Conquest to 1900

          • How ’bout the hard sciences and a standard university textbook?: ‘Palestinians are an indigenous people who either live in, or originate from, historical Palestine. Although the Muslims guaranteed security and allowed religious freedom to all inhabitants of the region, the majority converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture.’ Peter D. Turnpenny et al., ‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700

          • How ’bout an Anglican priest and Holocaust scholar?: ‘[T]he word ‘Arab’ needs to be used with care. It is applicable to the Bedouin and to a section of the urban and effendi classes; it is inappropriate as a description of the rural mass of the population, the fellaheen. The whole population spoke Arabic, usually corrupted by dialects bearing traces of words of other origin, but it was only the Bedouin who habitually thought of themselves as Arabs. Western travelers from the sixteenth century onwards make the same distinction, and the word ‘Arab’ almost always refers to them [Bedouin] exclusively. . .Gradually it was realized that there remained a substantial stratum of the pre-Israelite peasantry, and that the oldest element among the peasants were not ‘Arabs’ in the sense of having entered the country with or after the conquerors of the seventh century, had been there already when the Arabs came.’ James Parkes, Whose Land? A History of the Peoples of Palestine,(1949) rev.ed.Penguin, 1970 pp.209-210

          • How ’bout a Catholic theologian?: ‘While population transfers were effected in the Assyrian, Babylonian and Persian periods, most of the indigenous population remained in place [during the Muslim Conquest]. Moreover, after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 the population by and large remained in situ, and did so again after Bar Kochba’s revolt in AD 135. When the vast majority of the population became Christian during the Byzantine period, no vast number were driven out, and similarly in the seventh century, when the vast majority became Muslim, few were driven from the land. Palestine has been multi-cultural and multi ethnic from the beginning, as one can read between the lines even in the biblical narrative. Many Palestinian Jews became Christians, and in turn Muslims. Ironically, many of the forebears of Palestinian Arab refugees may well have been Jewish.’ Micheal Prior, Zionism and the State of Israel: A Moral Inquiry, Psychology Press 1999 p.201

          • How ’bout a standard university history textbook written by the Kahanoff Chair Professor of Israel Studies at the University of Calgary, 2003-2006, and President of the Association for Israel Studies, 2005-2007? ‘Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since the seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture.’–Dowty, Alan (2008). Israel/Palestine. London, UK: Polity. p. 221

          • THAT old Goebbels’ Gonad Juice favorite, that there were no Palestinians before 1967? All the archeology, all the history points to the universal academic consensus: that Palestine’s native Christians and Muslims have roots going back to the Bronze Age. Don’t believe me? Read the ACTUAL DOCUMENTED RECORD:

          • How ’bout the 1911 Encylopedia? ‘The pure Arab origin of the Bedouins is recognized in common conversation in the country, the word “Arab” being almost restricted to denote these wanderers, and seldom applied to the dwellers in towns and villages…The sedentary population of the country villages – the fellahin, or agriculturists – is, on the whole, comparatively unmixed; but traces of various intrusive strains assert themselves. It is by no means unreasonable to suppose that there is a fundamental Canaanite element in this population: the “hewers of wood and drawers of water” often remain undisturbed through successive occupations of a land; and there is a remarkable correspondence of type between many of the modern fellahin and skeletons of ancient inhabitants which have been recovered in the course of excavation.’

      • Wow, another person who doesn’t WANT to believe Israel is justified in their defense of country and self.

          • You don’t understand the legal definitions of occupation, foreign, or genocide. Come back when you do.

          • The legal definition of occupation is given in the Fourth Geneva Convention, and every court with a remit in the world — even Apartheid Israel’s own HCJ — agrees that it applies to the West Bank, Gaza, East J’lem and the Golan. The legal definition of genocide is in Article II of the International Genocide Convention. It fits Apartheid Israel like a glove. Sad to see far-right bigots like you living in an alternative reality of denial!

          • According to the Geneva Conventions, there must be another sovereign nation on the land being occupied. There wasn’t, and there isn’t. Hence, no occupation. The Israeli High Court created a legal fiction of there being on occupation for the purpose of ruling on one specific case. In addition, overall, Israel has tried to follow the principles laid out in the Geneva Conventions even though there is no actual occupation. UNSC 242 acknowledges that the territories are in contention, not that they are occupied.

            The only groups in the region who meet the definition of genocide are Hamas and the PLO. They have conspired to murder all the Jews living in Israel. The proof is in the Hamas Charter and the PLO Covenant.

            Now, you show, using real events or documents, how Israel is committing genocide.

            Finally, it isn’t apartheid if it’s not a government discriminating against a segment of its own citizenry. Since all citizens of Israel are equal under the law, there is no apartheid.

          • Made up nonsense that has been laughed out of every legal body on the planet. The Israeli HCJ, unlike you, has to deal with reality. UN 242 recognizes no disputed territory whatsoever. The second line of the preamble — ‘Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war…’. DO actually read the definition of genocide, ignorant fanatic. It would make at least you look less of an idiot.

          • Read the documentation as well as later legal arguments. “The inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war.” was written to prevent another Germany. It is understand that if a nation is attacked, and manages to take territory, it has every right to keep it. Regardless, that is not what happened in Israel. This has nothing to do with genocide.

            UN242 was written to end the conflict with Jordan and Egypt, not the Arabs left behind by them. Israel signed peace treaties with both countries, both of whom gave up all claim to the territories they had illegally occupied after 1948.

          • I have read the actual documentation. I have also read the universally-rejected ‘arguments’ invented by far-right fanatics like you. ‘The principle of inadmissibility of acquiring territory by force has become part of general international law, endowed with the character of a preemptory rule of international law (jus cogens). It has been confirmed in such instruments as, inter alia, the Friendly Relations Declaration of the General Assembly (GA) in 1970 and reaffirmed in a series of Security Council (SC) resolutions concerned with specific cases, including Resolution 242….The illegality of acquisition of territory by force is interpreted extensively to encompass also acquisition of the aggressor’s territory by the victim state in the exercise of the right of self-defense.’–International Law: A Dictionary, Boleslaw Boczek, p. 214. — www dot tinyurl dot com/hlt6tvm

            You fantasy of 242 is equally baseless.

            Aparthied Israel has a made-up ‘narrative’ while Palestine has the actual record.

          • ‘According to the Geneva Conventions, there must be another sovereign nation on the land being occupied. ‘ Where EXACTLY is that in GCIV??? Cite chapter and verse.

            Goebbels’ spunk drinking Apartheid Israel has a fake, BS ‘narrative’ while Palestine has the actual record.

            Prove me wrong!

          • Look it up yourself. Try the Fourth Geneva Convention. It’s right there in black and white.

            As to the actual record, you continue to fail to produce it.

          • Look it up yourself. EVERY legal body with an actual remit has laughed you far-right, extremist nonsense out of court! PROVE me wrong. Show me a SINGLE judicial body supporting your fantasies. Not a whitewash ‘commission’. Not an opinion piece. An actual legal decision. Me. I’ve got every country in the world and every legal body on the planet on my factually based side. You. You’ve got insane Bibi and insane Trump in your Nazi love-a-thon.

            Zion heil, ignorant maggot!

          • I know GCIV. I know the rectally-extracted nonsense you make of it. Too bad for you that EVERY court with a remit in the matter has laughed your fantasies out of court.

            PROVE ME WRONG, punk! Show us an actual legal body — not a whitewash commission, not an opinion piece — that has assigned an Apartheid Israeli claim to so much as a single olive pit in the West Bank, a single strawberry in Gaza, a single grain of dust in East Jerusalem or a single grapevine in the Golan.

            C’mon girl! Show us your stuff!

          • Under the Nation State law, Apartheid Israel is a state only for its Jewish population. All others are second-class. I understand that you live off of the spunk you suck from Goebbels’ rigid member. It’s typical of Israel apologists.

            Those of us living in the non-racial-fanatic world, however, deal with the real world.

          • First, Israel has always been the Jewish state. Putting it in writing changed nothing. Show me in the Nation State law where anyone’s civil or religious rights were affected, or where any existing law was superseded.

          • You are quite right. Apartheid Israel has never been a normal democratic state of all its citizens! It has, from its inception, benn an apartheid monstrosity and alien to the family of democratic nations.

    • It saddens me to the core this threat of execution for throwing stones. This is directly in breach of the Geneva Conventions

  • Be sure to have ALL the facts…not just the ones you like, to make a decisive history (the last 70+ years) of who is right/wrong in this ongoing battle for land/rights/occupation? or not?

    • It’s not difficult. In settler-colonialism we know who is right and who is wrong. The settler-coloniser is always in the wrong. There are no two sides to a story where you have a gross imbalance of power between perpetrators and victims, as you do in settler-colonialism. Zionism is a settler-colonialist movement created to replace the non-Jewish indigenous people of Palestine with Jewish people from all over the world in an exclusively Jewish state. I am from Israel myself, before you tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about.

      • Half of Israel is secullar. Why did Egypt and Jordan not offer the Gaza strip and the West Bank to the Palestinians when they controlled it before the 1967 war? Strange that.

  • It’s my prayer that Raytown Law& litlover be blessed in Jesus Name. That the eyes of your hearts be opened to see that our battle is NOT against flesh & blood but against the principalities of darkness. I pray that the hate behind all terrorism be quenched by the greatest weapon of mass destruction-love. We can argue all day long or we can surrender our lives to become what God created us to be-made in His image & carry His love to all mankind. Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He demonstrated this perfect love by laying down His life…as He did so should we.It’s your choice to continue in ‘hate’ or to live in the light. To put it rather simply, I quote C.S.Lewis “You must make your choice. Either this man (Jesus)was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us.

    He did not intend to.”

    • I’m sorry, but as a Christian, I prefer Christ’s judgement to your own. “Judge not lest ye be judged”
      The Christ that I believe doesn’t need WMDs or American taxpayer arsenals of weaponry
      That Christ came to us and was called by his followers “Rabbi” which means teacher, no matter what C.S. Lewis said
      Christ lived during the Roman occupation. He did not concern himself with these matters. You have Christ dressed in khaki with a sub-machine gun and big red button.
      I pray for you, that you will repent of your wickedness and judgemental ways
      The people of Palestine are not all terrorists, yet you would condemn all of those people, who worship the same god that you do (minus the combat fatigues) to annihilation – I pray for your soul

    • I’m glad to see you praying against terrorism. There will definitely be a day when G-d puts an end to all those who come against Israel. The powers of darkness have always fought against Israel, but they will be defeated. If you are a Christian, it would behoove you not to poke your finger in G-d’s eye.

    • Its hard to take a Holocaust Denier seriously.

      Remove the log from your own eye, before you try to help someone else.

  • Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel. This will mean death to hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Jews.

    Does that count as genocide?

    • Thank you for this pile of propaganda crap! Any person with the slightest trace of humanity has to hope for the destruction of the bucket of moral abortions of Nazi-imitating Apartheid Israel! Gandhi called its very existence a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. Wanting the destruction of the Soviet Union was not a call for genocide. Wanting the destruction of Apartheid South Africa was not a call for genocide. I understand that you are basically just a sewer conduit of idiot propaganda, but it’s so clearly sucked from Josef Goebbels’ member that it is funny. The Nazi-imitating logic of the scum backing Apartheid Israel: Palestinians want to go back home. → This will destroy the Jewish character of Israel. → This will destroy Israel. → The Palestinians want to destroy Israel. → The Palestinians want to kill all the Jews. → The Palestinians are all terrorists.→ It’s OK to kill all Palestinians in self-defense.

      Zion heil!

      • The question is what would happen if they gained greater means. They already showed during the last war that they had rockets capable of reaching Tel Aviv.

        They don’t currently have greater means because of the restrictions put in place by Israel – which unfortunately also make life more difficult for regular Gazans. If the goal is to actually make life easier for people, with greater fishing range, open port and freer trade, then the ideological threat needs to go and be replaced by peace.

      • Simply planning it is the same as committing it according to the Geneva Conventions. They should be punished by the UN, but, since the Muslims run the UN, that will never happen.

      • See, there you go, putting words in peoples’ mouths. laughatbabyboomers said death to *zionism*, which is an ideology. Ideology is not a person or people. It’s an idea.

          • There are plenty of brainwashed Christian Zionists, too. Without them, Israel wouldn’t be raking in the cash from US taxpayers. $30,000 per Israeli citizen, per year.

          • Speak for yourself, Heinrich. I’m Jewish. I want nothing to do with a cousin ideology to Hitlerism. Zionism is a cancer on Judaism.

          • I know many jews that follow their faith and are not Zionists, more and more are waking up and see Israel as an Aparthied state. Zionists would like to believe all Jews, btw most European Jews are AshkeNazi not of the blood of Abraham, follow their sick racist ways but I have hope as so many don’t!!

  • Ilan Pappe wrote a book on this subject called the Ethnic cleansing of Palestine & here is a link to an Israeli women’s group who try to stand up for the rights of the Palestinians…https://machsomwatch.org/en BTW God has no favorites as Acts 10:34 & Christ’s own words make this absolutely clear.

    • I’d think about taking you more seriously if your Disqus profile didn’t show that you also hate fluoride, think hurricanes are man-made and claim that gas chambers never existed.

      • Maybe you could read some of the great work of David Irving and then, you, too would realize that there were no gas chambers. Or is that too much to ask of you?

        • I know who David Irving is. I prefer to learn actual history, from those who lived it, from actual sites and from the mountain of historical records that exist.

    • Ilan Pappe is a self-confessed liar who admittedly chooses his bias over fact. He has zip credibility with real historians. There was not ethnic cleansing of the Arabs. A few villages on the Jerusalem road were emptied for strategic reasons during the ’48 war because the villagers were attacking Jewish convoys. Many other villages on the same road were left untouched because they were not fighting against the Jews. Virtually all of the Arabs fled because their leaders told them to, something those leaders later admitted. They didn’t want civilians in the way while they were murdering the Jews! Didn’t quite work out that way for them. After the war, Israel allowed 100,000 Arabs to return, and approved another 100,000 who were then prevented from returning by the Arab League. Pretty poor way to conduct ethnic cleansing. Finally, as per Israel’s declaration of independence, all the non-Jews who remained in place and didn’t fight against the Jews, became citizens of the new state. There are now over 1.6 million Arabs citizens in Israel.

      http://www.meforum.org/1886/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine
      http://www.ee.bgu.ac.il/~censor/katz-directory/11-03-17the-liar-as-a-hero-about-pappe-by-benny-morris.pdf
      http://hnn.us/article/4479

      http://cifwatch.com/2013/08/08/are-jews-the-most-incompetent-ethnic-cleansers-in-the-world/

      • It’s pretty simple…The World Zionist Organization wanted a homeland for the Jews & Madagascar was 1st considered. The Balfour Declaration was all over this securing a homeland for the Jews. I have met Palestinians who’ve suffered b/c they were forced from their homeland so arguing is NOT the point. If Israel wanted peace they would not be destroying others lives & property & this has been documented too many times to debunk. Israeli government is a rogue entity that is ruled by hate. The attack on the USS Liberty, murder of Rachel Corrie & the Israeli women who have a live cam to record these continuous barbaric acts against a defenseless people are just a few of the facts that further shows the truth. The very fact that the Israeli Mossad’s motto is ‘war by deception’ shows their true colors. I will believe that Israel wants peace when they show they abide by international laws. Until then their very own people (Israeli citizens) will turn on them. https://youtu.be/oCKWDarNdGw

        • I guess you were happier with the Jews when they did not fight back in any organized fashion in World War Two, and marched guietly to the gas chambers?

          Admit it. Thats what you want.

          • There was no such thing as gas chambers as admitted by the curator of Aushwitz (David Cole has on record)https://youtu.be/DFrJF-noN7A …and in the court of law by Jewish scientists in case against Ernst Zundel. (https://youtu.be/_Y55i4icwHM) (https://codoh.com/library/document/1069/)The truth is I come from Jewish roots & am tired of the hate rhetoric. I love the Jews, the Muslims, all mankind. Since when does hate destroy hate.It’s time
            to come together against ANY violence toward ANY HUMAN period. I can never support such thought as quoted by Israel’s founder…David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.
            From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978:

            “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”

          • Still pretending that there were gas chambers? After all the evidence that has been uncovered? Why the ignorance? It’s not acceptable, you know.

  • Judaism: What you do not wish for yourself, do not wish for others. Talmud Shabbat 31.A
    Islam: No one will be a true believer unless he wishes for others what he wishes for himself. Sunnat
    Christianity: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Matthew 7: 12
    Confucionism: What we do not wish to be done to us, let us not do to others Analects 15. 23
    Buddhism: Do not offend others as you would not like to be offended Udanavarga 5.18
    Maya: You are myself, we are one. Popol Vuh
    Brahmanism: Never do unto others what would hurt you if done to you. Mahabharata 5. 15
    Bahai Faith: if you seek justice choose for others what you would choose for yourself. The Bayan
    Taoism: Make as yours the profits of your fellow man as well as his loss. Tai-shang Kin-ying P’ien

    Bob Marley and the Wailers: One love, one heart, Let’s get together and feel all right – One Love
    The Beatles: All you need is Love

    There is no such thing and never a justification as a War of Religion or Jihad. It is a contradiction to all Religious belief and practise. Don’t speak as a Christian, or a Muslim, or Jew about justification for these killings. We are all humans, and we all claim the moral rule as detailed above. Choose your actions based upon love for humanity, lay down your weapons and your will to destroy one another, think of tomorrow and the World we would dream for our children. If we can dream it, we can make it happen.

    • The central authority of Orthodox Judaism is the Babylonian Talmud which states…
      Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile (“Cuthean”), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep. Could this be the reason why there is no remorse for the damage done to the Palestinians since 1947?