When reporting or lamenting over the gross human rights violations and genocide by the modern state of Israel against the Palestinian people, many Christians immediately freak the heck out.
In fact, I am often told that I am “not a Christian” because I dare criticize the state of Israel’s behavior, as if blind support of a modern nation state were an obligation of being a True Christian™.
Upon being stripped of my membership card in Christianity, many of these “internet Bible scholars” quickly remind me: God commands us to stand with Israel! But is that even true?
I mean, for those of us who grow up in EvangelFundamentalism we’re taught that from day one– but just because our childhood pastor taught us this, and just because Grandma believed it, doesn’t make it true.
There has been a resurgence of voices claiming God commands us to stand with Israel since President Trump unveiled his “peace plan” for Israel and Palestine, which isn’t a plan for peace at all and is something that Christians and people of good will should overwhelmingly oppose.
As your Bible Explainer in Chief, let me quickly break it down for you– because no, the Bible doesn’t command we stand with Israel.
1. The entire “stand with Israel” theology is based on one verse, and the verse had nothing to do with any modern nation state born a few thousand years later.
Preachers will claim God commands we stand with Israel in order to be blessed, but that’s not what the Bible says. In Genesis 12:3 God is reported to have told Abraham, “I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.” This was a promise to Abraham– neither biblical Israel nor modern Israel existed when this was written. It was a promise to Abraham as part of God’s covenant with him.
2. The Bible teaches that the true descendants of Abraham are spiritual, not ethnic.
The same preachers say, “Yes! It was a promise to Abraham and that extends to his descendants- Israel” but that’s not the whole story, either. The Bible actually teaches that “not all that descended from Israel belong to Israel” (Romans 9:6) and that a true descendant of Abraham is not ethnic but a citizenship of the heart (Romans 2:29).
Israel as a nation state is not what the Bible talks about when it talks about Israel. The New Testament Israel is comprised of all those who accept the King of Israel: Jesus.
3. Not even the prophets in the Bible blindly stood with Israel– including Jesus.
The biblical prophets are the last people who would seem “pro-Israel” because they were constantly rebuking Israel for bad behavior. And they didn’t hold back forceful language, either– some wrote that God utterly hated every expression of their religion because they were ignoring justice for the poor and marginalized. In fact, when God spoke through the prophet Jeremiah he actually says that because Israel did not keep the covenant made with him, that he divorced her (Jer 3:8).
On top of the prophets, remember that Jesus was executed as a traitor and a threat to Israel.
4. The Bible doesn’t command we blindly support people who are committing evil acts.
This is a concept we seem to understand in day-to-day life, but all logic goes out the window when it comes to standing with Israel. For example, yes– God wants one to be faithful to their family, but does that mean you stand by and support them if they want to drive drunk? Do you support them if they want to shoot their neighbor and steal their car? Of course not- that’s nonsense.
Blindly supporting Israel would be like supporting a friend or family member regardless of their behavior, and nowhere in the Bible does it tell us to loyally follow someone even when they commit evil.
Israel is an apartheid state where the indigenous people are oppressed and victims of untold daily discrimination and violence; it is a state that offers government subsidized abortions regardless of the reason– something I would think conservative Christians would take issue with, a place where Christians have had to petition the government so that they can walk down the street without being spat upon by Israelis, a place where Christian places of worship are routinely attacked; a place where Palestinian children are mercilessly oppressed and even slaughtered, and a nation that is consistently rebuked by the international community for human rights violations that would not be tolerated anywhere else in the world.
Any theology that tells you to support all that in the name of God is theology straight from the pit of the Evil One himself.
The bottom line: What the world calls Israel is NOT what the Bible calls Israel. The world is referring to a nation state that was created just a generation ago– the Bible is talking about the people of Abraham, which are a spiritual people who have accepted their king: Jesus. It’s not a people group one is born into, but a people group you join by pledging your allegiance to Jesus.
So is standing with Israel a biblical concept? No. In fact, the stronger biblical case would be standing in opposition to Israel’s ungodly behavior.
Is he retarded? “Let it end with me”
Oh I’m sure the cult will stop now my man!
I am always perplexed when I read articles that talk about what others learned growing up. In my schools, neighborhood and Church I don’t believe the current state of Israel ever came up. It wasn’t until I attended college that I found out Jews went to the Temple on the sabbath which was Saturday and didn’t believe that Jesus was the Son of God. If the citizens of Israel were abusing Palestinians I was blissfully unaware of it.
Politically, our government supports other countries based on our foreign policy. We as citizens do not have anything in general to say about our foreign policy. We can lobby, write letters to our senators, etc. but it would avail nothing. In the case of Israel it is in our interest to be allies with Israel and so we have throughout democrat and republican administrations. In this case even our vote can’t change that.
But why would anyone want us to stop supporting Israel in order to let her neighbors destroy her? Because we don’t agree with her politics? Because we feel the need to choose sides in a fight that has been going on for a few thousand years?
We know one thing for sure Israel will be here to the end of this age because it is prophesied. That is more than we can say about our country.
I wonder just how long are we going to stand with Israel. Jews are still looking for their Messiah. Since they reject Christ, just who or what will they be worshiping and sacrificing animals to in their rebuilt temple? – It seems all so…counterfeit.
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Evangelical Americans are a blessing to Satan.
there is no Satan
A Declaration of Independence from Israel–
(please cut/paste or share)
There is no God in the Universe that gives anyone the divine right to steal land from other people; and yet, the United States has been coerced into giving ‘unconditional support’ to a country that is based on that completely racist proposition and commits ethnic cleansing in order to enforce that proposition.
We Americans, Jews and non-Jews, need to wake up to what Zionism is and how badly Zionism has intentionally corrupted our democracy and hijacked our military-industrial-complex. We need to wake up before we are misled into another war that benefits Israel but has nothing to do with the United States other than being another opportunity for war-profiteering.
Zionism is not Judaism! Zionism is a geo-political concern that is antithetical to democracy.
There is no God in the Universe
The Jews wrote the Bible and the Bible is the deed to the land, and as far as stealing, the Arabs INVADED the holy land several times
Realistically, the Evangelical surveying agency, Barna Research Group, has shown that fewer than 60% of Evangelicals support a favorable policy towards Israel. Christian Zionists do not represent most Evangelical Christians, but merely a cliqueish, loudly outspoken, rude, oligarchic, conspiratorial, power-obsessed minority:
Compared to the Arab nations surrounding it, Israel does not even pale in comparison to the human rights atrocities committed by their neighbors.
Israel does very well in human rights
Bravo! Mr. Corey! Articulate, concise and erudite!
I suspect/suggest that many just do not want to see!
If we simply take God at His word “we shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set us free.”
Mr. Corey! Articulate, concise and erudite! and stupid too
97 % OF THE JEWS ARE RUSSIAN COVERTS TO JUDAISM,AND HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE IN PALESTINE!!! GO HOME TO RUSSIA, REAL JEWS MAY STAY IN PALESTINE!!!!!!!!!
and you are 100% an idiot
The most fundamental aspect of Christianity is the Holy Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; the Creed requires an affirmation of Jesus Christ as God. Now, if we accept that, then we must also accept that anyone in active opposition to Christ – and not just when their ancestors deliberately had Him murdered, but now, today, in the constant opposition to Christianity and maligning of the Savior, both unofficially, officially in the Talmud, and in constant legal actions, particularly in the United States, then we also must logically accept that the group doing those things is, in a very literal sense, Antichrist. To oppose Christ is to oppose God, since He is part of the Trinity, and to be in rebellion against God Himself, the very same sin as committed by Satan. Christ said to them, after all, “You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do.” You cannot be Antichrist and be “God’s people” at the same time; that is simply not possible. Christ was the fulfillment of the law and everything that happened in the Old Testament, meaning the primary event in the Hebrew religion, and those Jews who were first to follow Him, and who followed Him later, did not follow a new religion, but continued to follow the old one by obeying God, and those, the vast majority, who chose not to, but preferred to cling to the old ways, were not following Judaism, but became apostate to it by their refusal to accept Christ as God.
and not just when their ancestors deliberately had Him murdered……since Jesus never existed it was real hard for the Jews to kill him. The Gospels are not histories but are religious theater pieces complete with Greek choruses [ of Jews] . They don’t know the time and place .
They seem to think that they are friends to the Creator to the exclusion of other men. But they won’t express their desire for death which would bring them closer to the Creator. They have an arrogant claim to be a chosen people, to be the exclusive possessors of divine teaching, to be exempt from any punishment for breaches of divine law is presumptuous blasphemy. It may be Judaism, but it is not in the spirit of Moses.
The Jews wrote the Bible, and the Muslims copied from it.
If this was a copyright issue you would have to pay royalties . Why didn’t you invent your own cast of characters?
all Gods are imaginary, this means that Allah is also imaginary and rather stupid
Not just rather stupid, but also infanticidal —- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5657e9825f71cefab8571797b960dc75a1baa7a78f6590179e07121513a11512.jpg
the whole story is an allegory about NOT sacrificing your children
A lot of people don’t even know about the “Transfer Agreement”.
The Transfer Agreement rescued some 60,000 German Jews.
was that a crime to you?
After world Jewry had officially declared war on Germany on March 23, 1933, why should they have been rescued? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8aa9ad711d96573b84a0cab22ffb20fb53959ce4f480d8e085599c9505bea954.jpg
How many Germans did world Jewry kill?
” The children of Israel were chosen as special vehicles for the Creators message early in history. When their descendants corrupted the message and became guilty of all abominations against which prophets like Isaiah inveighed with such zeal and fire, they merely became like beats of burden that carry learning and wisdom on their backs but do not understand or profit by it.”
The Jews wrote the Bible, do you think they would choose the Irish?
One more thing , You are only chosen on the score of righteousness !!!!
The EUROPEAN Ashkenazi Jews, an overwhelming majority of The State of Israel’s population, bear NO ethnic relation to the Hebrew people described in the Scriptures whatsoever. They are NOT the descendants of Abraham, are not members of any Hebrew tribe. Go ahead, just ask a European Jew which tribe he or she belongs to. They are European converts to Judaism from Medieval times. This is why the Israelis don’t dare (besides the wrath of 1.8 billion Muslims) tear down Al-Aqsa Mosque and “re-dedicate” the Jewish Temple. They cannot locate a single Levite, a member of the Priestly Tribe of Levi. A Levite High Priest is absolutely mandatory for any Rite of Consecration.
Sorry but you ate some antisemitic bullshit, Genetic studies prove that the Ashkenazi Jews mostly derive from the Middle Eastern populations along with a number of converts. |
I wonder where you head is? Perhaps in some antisemitic cesspool of emphatic ignorance ?
I agree we shouldn’t tolerate aparteid or oppression from any nation,but Americans and Britains are NOT gentiles,but the house of Joseph,Ephraim=British and Manasseh=USA!!
that is unmitigated malarkey
we are commanded to ‘pray for the peace of jerusalem.’ God is still in covenant with israel, however, not everything that israel does is right. everyone over there, both arab and jew are not be all that kind to one another. remember, that according to God, the land belongs to the jews. there will be a war and no one can stop this or avert this according the the bible. we should not condone evil acts regardless of who’s committing them.
According to the Bible how do you fix an automobile or fly an airplane, or answer the telephone >?
The Bible says nothing about our times
Benjamin L. Corey is a scholar in the areas of theology and missiology. He is also author of Undiluted: Rediscovering The Radical Message of Jesus
his problem is that Jesus is a hoax , we can tell he’s a hoax from the Gospels alone
1. Anybody claiming a virgin birth is a liar.
2. Stars don’t hover
3. Bethlehem was never called the City of David
4. There is no mountain from where you can see all the kingdoms of the earth.
5. There never was a tax that required people to travel to the birthplace of one particular ancestor from 1000 years previous.
6. There never was a mass murder of children in Bethlehem committed by Herod.
7. Nazareth wasn’t founded until 330AD
8. The dead never came out of their graves
9. People can’t fly
Josephus reported 4 “messiahs” from 6AD to 66AD, none of which was Jesus
This Article was awesome up until it implied that abortion was wrong.
Abortion is a human civil right. However besides that unfortunate blunder, the rest of the article was spot-on.
“Abortion is a human civil right.” Given by who, may I ask?
By GOD. Deal with it.
it was atrocious
Abortion is a criminal act against humanity. Law or not, babies have a right to be born.
Nope. Abortion is a human right. It’s healthcare.
If you really believed this nonsense, then regulate the penis and end male ejaculation which kills all human pre babies.
Nope. Abortion is a crime against the very fabric of our existence, regardless whether the law allows it or not. Our right to be born begins the moment a child is conceived in the womb of his/her mother.
Like it not.
he is a zionists puppet……
I agree with the article — except the part about Israel being a friend to America. To wit: Lavon Affair, U.S.S. Liberty, Jonathan Pollard, foreknowledge of the events of 9-11, Israeli weapons sales China …
The Jews are God’s chosen people and that is the land he gave them. It is a holy covenant. God doesn’t break covenants. The Arabs are on Jewish land. They even desecrated the site of the temple with a mosque. Arabs should be in fear of God’s wrath for what they have done.
Complete and utter garbage.
Why is your god a racist?
I’m an atheist.
Agree with this, except it is overly dramatized.
I am no fan of Israel’s treatment of the Arabs in the WB and EJ, it is not even Israel, BUT, they have not attempted genocide.
They are harassing the Arabs to death in hopes they will leave and at times are brutal. They cause our Christian Arab brothers huge problems because the US to Arabs is “Christian”( I wish it was not so, but, it is) and we side with the Jews mindlessly as you point out, so the Arab Muslims see the Christians as “American agents”.
Genocide claims however are harmful to your message.
If that were true, there would be no Arabs in those 2 areas, Israel has occupied both since 1967 with the IDF and national police.
I would also out of curiosity ask you to document the claim about Christians petitioning the state as you state. I don’t doubt it’s true, just asking for documentation.
Harassing to death an entire people isn’t genocide?
Just because the process is slower doesn’t mean the end result won’t be the same!
Does the modern State of Israel have the right to exist?
Also … did blacks in South Africa have a right to sit in parliament under apartheid like Arabs do in the State of Israel’s parliament?
The first question is irrelevant. Israel exists, it is what it does that is the issue. As to the 2nd Q; Palestinians sit in the Knesset but cannot criticize Israel without being suspended by the zionist majority. What you fail to consider is the circa 4 million Palestinians in WB and Gaza who are under de facto Israeli control, but who have no say in their government. The PA is a mirage helping Israel keep control.
Agreed with Dave – Israel exists. But Israel cannot be both a democracy and a Jewish State – it is one or the other. So the question is whether or not Israel should exist as a “Jewish State” – in which only members of one religion control an ethnocratic government that excludes and discriminates against non-Jewish peoples (Christians or Muslims) within its borders. This wouldn’t be right for any state or any religion (and where ethnocratic regimes exist around the world – I criticize them as well). Here is a great New Statesman article about why Israel is an ethnocracy and not a democracy: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2012/02/jewish-state-citizens-israel
How can a state have a right?
People have rights to protect against arbitrary power. States are arbitrary power.
I think Jewish people, like any others, have the right to travel, and to security, and to a safe refuge from pogroms and the Shoah, (note that governments routinely violate people’s right to travel, and to security), but that doesn’t legitimize buying land from absentee Ottoman landlords, without regard to the people living there, or the Stern Gang, or the expulsion of Arabs in the 1947 war, or the divide-and-rule strategy that has created Hamas and fragmented Palestinian civil society.
You do know Jews have representatives in the Iranian parliament and Bibi used the race card when he looked like losing last election by saying that Arabs were swarming to the voting booths.
The issue is about Palestinians who aren’t Israeli Arabs.
According to Israel they are no one.
Benjamin, you usually write very good article (you are one of my top favorite bloggers). But this article is EXCEPTIONAL! Thanks.
Agree! Give me Jesus without the Western Christian Zionist Baggage!
Israel ain’t perfect. But neither are many of its neighbors, who’d like to see it wiped off the map (including that Palestinian government).
But Christians are obviously under no obligation to support it.
Of course Israel’s neighbours aren’t perfect, but it is not true that they, our indeed the Palestinians, want to wipe Israel off the map. What Ahmadinejad actually said was he looked for the end of the Zionist entity, which isn’t quite the same thing.
I’m curious if you’ve actually been to the West Bank, Gaza or any of the occupied territories. Your argument is clearly meant to deflect from the atrocities that take place on a daily basis. In my time there I’ve witnessed a lot of violence and nearly 100% of it was Israelis against Palestinian Muslims and Christians. What you should do is get on a plane and go see for yourself what takes place there. While it’s true that there are folks not keen on Israel’s existence I assure you, most of the problems are of its own manufacture.
I’ve been there. It’s real.
I wonder if the author is a passionate supporter of Jews for Jesus, since they seem to be only Jews based on his definition: “spiritual people who have accepted their king: Jesus”. It is easy to forget that God’s plan for His people is not over, they will accept Jesus, in due time. If God loves his people, why shouldn’t we?
This really begs these questions, “exactly who is God’s people?” God loves His enemy, is that correct? Is God’s enemy “his people”?
… and not all students of Christ believe “they will accept Jesus, in due time”.
Ben, thank you, again, for daring to establish a don’t cross line between mankind constructive and mankind destructive.
As a master debater, in my adolescents, while using the Christian Bible as my sole evidence I am very much aware how anyone can take the Bible as the reigning authority to justify their preconceived sense of correct before God, fact and/or alternative fact. Your artistically presented distain for the atrocities of Israel today at minimum should cause some pause for those who only know their Bible as presented by their “childhood pastor” and “Grandma”. Unfortunately, this will not reign in authority for those scholars who only know their security in God as presented in the Christian Bible. Truth cannot be known without accepting Jesus’ instructions today pertinent to today. Truth is most important relative to the eternal health of all mankind, as one body; each of whose life we wield our cross in defense of, ignorant or not.
The Holocaust was a product of totalitarian authority, democratically elected, that murdered a minimum of 6 million people simply because they were a passive strawman easily cast as the enemy of the people (as those different others separate from the “people”). The United Nations has bent over backward to try to repay mankind’s indifference when it was too late.
Nobody, to date, appears to even try to repay mankind’s indifference to Stalin’s totalitarian purge of over 50 million people.
Today we have elected a president in the USA with his top advisor having previously endorsed Leninism (Stalin’s predecessor who laid the groundwork), reviving a 1930’s economic model (pre-Social Security, pre-Medicare, and pre-middle-class), respect for “white-Christian-nationalism” (Nazi style “white Arianism”) and the destruction of government established by our fore-fathers to be replace by totalitarianism.
The “United” States of America is going down the path from whence modern day Israel rose, as a result of a totalitarian state sponsored murder of the passive strawman in the name of restoring Arian rights. Israel practices apartheid in the name of restoring what God gave them through Abraham, Moses and David. The United States of America and the United nations, as voting bodies, have not bent over backward to repay mankind’s indifference to the indigenous millions who died due to apartheid inside the United States of America or Israel (since relegating those indigenous to a lesser status) . The United States of America, as a proud pseudo Arian voting body, still endorses to financially support the restoration of God’s covenant with Moses in Israel while simultaneously endorsing the new covenant with Christ that replaced all authority before Him, most directly the covenant with Moses.
This is the picture of mankind’s state of being today as I know it to be from verifiable facts available to all of us seeking such throughout the world today. Two thoughts that come from the Christian Bible today give me some comfort with trustworthy direction while seeking only in the spirit of truth for all of mankind’s well being:
***each one of us can only serve one master***
***forgive them Father for they know not what they do***
I know that I do not know what I do without guidance from those who do. I know that only I, or only any of us of mankind, cannot fix it. I know, for certain, in my heart and mind that mankind is one presently fragmented body graced the image of God who is one harmoniously coordinated body in spirit. I know that the Palestinian, the Jewish Israeli, the Native American, and each of all ethnicities of mankind is an equal child of Man relative to me and my carnal heritage. I know that in love for each I will not remain indifferently silent while wielding my cross in defense for all sisters and brothers of my carnal body. All lives matter as that is the nature of God; my only master who does know what we do and can fix it when we elect to be fixed.
Jesus teaches, in regards to the will and hierarchy of God, that the greatest among us will be our servant. Those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. No one in all the history of Man has graced us with more humility than the Messiah. It is time, if we truly want it fixed, to learn only from the one Teacher; not the childhood pastor and Grandma who knew not what they were doing then, any more than each of us does alone today.
If we are truly going to stand for our Father’s divinely mastered will we will no longer support any who abuse any of our siblings within the power of mankind, especially those abusers of God’s children doing so in God’s name.
“The entire enterprise of a Jewish state in Palestine is built upon an express rejection of international law. The only legitimate grounds for political sovereignty of an indigenous people are the laws of ius soli or ius sanguine as recognized in international law, which translates into a right of sovereignty based upon habitation in a particular territory or being a descendent of someone in a particular territory. The third option granting a right to sovereignty would be the discovery of a terra nullius that is an uninhabited territory. Palestine was never a terra nullius, and its inhabitants were entitled to a sovereign state in Palestine as part of Greater Syria, if they so chose, according to the ius soli following the demise of the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War I in 1917 and 1918. If their children were out of the country at the time of its establishment at a particular time, then they would be granted citizenship on the grounds of the ius sanguine if they had not been born in Palestine or Greater Syria.
European Jewry did not fulfill either of these qualifications in 1917, when the Balfour Declaration, a document prepared by international Jewish leadership, and addressed by Lord Arthur Balfour, the United Kingdom’s Foreign secretary at the time, to Lord Walter Rothschild, a scion of the leading Jewish banking family in the world, resident in England, was written supporting a Jewish homeland [sic] in Palestine.
The carving up of historical Palestine to excise the bulk of its territory for an imported unequivocally foreign population at the expense of the indigenous society was recognized not to be a politically legitimate action. Its destructive consequences should have been obvious a priori, and history has proved such expectation accurate. Such an excision has harmed the indigenous population in every and all aspects of its life: political, economic, social, educational, cultural, religious, historical and geographical. The destruction of Palestine, the expulsion of the overwhelming majority of its population and the deliberate and continuing genocidal attacks on the remaining population living under Jewish conquest, only highlights the illegitimacy of the Jewish presence and its continuing aggression against the Palestinians.”
Lynda Burstein Brayer, a graduate of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem Faculty of Law, is a radical political and legal commentator who practiced human rights law in Palestine/Israel representing Palestinians in their struggles against house demolitions, land theft, and family destruction and in their efforts to obtain travel permits for health, study and family reasons. She lives in Haifa and can be reached at [email protected] http://criticallegalthinking.com/2012/11/19/palestinian-resistance-the-political-social-and-human-right-of-self-defense/
The Scofield Bible—The Book That Made Zionists of America’s Evangelical Christians http://www.wrmea.org/2015-october/the-scofield-bible%E2%80%94the-book-that-made-zionists-of-americas-evangelical-christians.html
It might also be worth noting that most of the Arabs in the middle east also claim to be descendants of Abraham, through Ishmael and/or Esau. Does a promise to Abraham mean we must always side with them too?
a nation that is consistently rebuked by the international community for human rights violations that would not be tolerated anywhere else in the world.One would hope to remember Saudi Arabia too.
The author of this article is obviously completely biblically illiterate and has no clue about the true nature of God.
What are your credentials?
I love that you show your knowledge of scripture by siting verses that prove your position and the love of God you display in your contempt.
there are no Gods, all of them are human imagination
On the contrary, he is correct. The nature of God is love which means the whole world. Jesus did not come to save the Jews only, He came to save the world. Those Jews who believed in Him became part of this body, those who didn’t, were scattered.
Now, tell me which part of the “true nature of God” am I wrong?
God is imaginary , and that’s the truth
The only way your ideas work is if you are a moron. The verse you mention is part of a larger blessing from G-d saying that He was giving the Land to the progeny of Abraham, thus clearly implying that his intention was not just to say this about Abraham. Only by slicing and dicing and taking things out of context can you come to such a ridiculous conclusion. Never mind that the idiotic line about genocide is equally pathetic — how can you call it genocide when the Arab population has increased dramatically? Only someone who once again is desperate to lie can make such a ridiculous claim. I didn’t even bother reading the rest of your diatribe because it’s such utter nonsense from the first paragraph on.
Maybe you missed the second point. You and I are the descendants of Abraham.
If you read it through to the end you might get it, which incidentally, I suspect might be the reason you didn’t.
Nope…God didn’t choose any nation……
there is no genocide in “palestine” the article is bullshit
Biblically speaking is the truth. If you love Israel, try preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ to them and see how far you get.
Under Evil acts what would you call treating “Palestinians” in Israeli hospitals for which they get no credit from the likes of the author of from the so called Palestinians who are mostly the descendants of immigrants from other Arab countries
I don’t think this article deserves the accusations of being super liberal or blasphemous. I’ve read the Bible, at least most of it, and many, many parts of it several times. I was raised in a Zionist household, I admit, but I also read the thing myself with college level notes while I was in highschool. I then went into the military intel field and came back very open to becoming a conspiracy theorist. I thanks to the Internet, I became enlightened, and the verses I had read helped in winning arguments against a bunch of old people who could have otherwise been sane and smart, but who’s humanity seemed to be corrupted by the Zionist cancer. They still wanted to see themselves as the greatest generation ever, fighting Nazis, but that mentality is sort of turning people into Nazis.
The Israelis have one of the highest populations of athiests, homosexuals, and as mentioned state provided abortions. Those who chew out their children for asking for affordable healthcare and college tuition are very happy to send their tax dollars that makes sure Israel gets it’s college tuition for free, as well as healthcare, including abortions.
Americans like to act like they give a crap about Christians being slaughtered in the mideast, but many actual mideast Christians feel that Israel has been working through certain wahabist jihadist terror groups to wipe out Christians in the Mideast and Palestine. Why? So more Americans will be like “Oh, there’s no more Christians? They were killed by Muslims? A-hyuck, well let’s do what we’ve been itching for an excuse to do all along-kill all Muslims!” I mean, from what I understand some Christians are better off under Palestine, Assad’s Syria, or even Hezbollah than Israel.
The Zionists cry night and day about how evil ISIS is, but ignore Israel healing and funding ISIS, or that ISIS seems to attack mostly Muslims, does stuff like bans burkas, and wipes out Muslim Holy sites-as well as secure oil pipelines for Israel and ethnically cleanse areas in the ‘greater Israel project.’ They ignore the fact that America and Israel are basically ISIS’s airforce, and that when somebody actually defeats ISIS, they get threatened (cough cough, Putin’s Russia, Assad’s Syria, Iraq, Iran, Hezbollah, etc). Funny how we made a travel ban on the odd countries actually fighting ISIS at the moment, but not on known supporters of ISIS and sharia law, AND the country that 14/15 of the 9/11 hijackers came from.
If God blesses those who Bless Israel, and ISIS is a blessing to Israel, does that mean God Blesses ISIS? Will God curse us for killing ISIS, which we know at this point is by and far made up of mercenaries from around the world, some of our own soldiers included, and led by CIA and MOssad to fight a war we really couldn’t get the people behind? Funny how ISIS also attacks european countries that were supporting BDS or Palestine, and then a bunch of Israelis ended up in charge of that nations’ security, how about that.
Well, like ISIS, our current unconstitutional militarized police, which has been largely infiltrated by the KKK if not the UN also, is insanely huge government and anything but Christian with how little they focus on rapes and murders and more on pot with minorities. Also the police have become a big gang of pedophiles, rapists, and murderers, as well as drug dealers and buyers. Sooooo much child porn and steroids, so much rape of women and children, so much abuse of veterans, so little out cry from the so called small government christian conservatives. How dissappointing. Ya know I was actually liking the Alt Right for a while. Infowars and all them? They said the answer to 1984 is 1776. Apparently when people tried to be 1776 they became 1984. Guess the answer to 1776 is 1984 with these people. Well it wouldn’t be the first time NeoConquistadors got people to sacrifice their morals. So many times they would chose a pro gay pro abortion zionist warmonger over a pro life and pro traditional marriage christian who wasn’t war mad cuckservative.
I would call these people ZioNazi, but that’s redundant because the zi in Nazi is short for Zionist. There’s a video that’s proof that the Zionists helped the Nazis. Why? Well because most jews at that time weren’t zionist, they felt that was rebellion against God, and many were actually well off in Germany. So the Zionists worked with the Nazis to exterminate the weaker elements of Jewry, radicalize the survivors through trauma, and on a global scale use that as evidence for the need of a zionist state.
And of course, I talked to a nice Israeli boy who even said that the true survivors of the holocaust were treated like crap by the true founders of Israel, who basically wished more had died in the holocaust. The now golden child ruling class that enjoyed the benefits of democracy were the atheistic Jews that had just got finished launching a genocidal holocaust of their own against mostly Christian Ukranians, the Russian Holodomor.
Once again, everything is designed to punish non Zionists.
Nazism was designed to punish non zionist Jews.
Communism was designed to punish non zionist Christians and easterners.
Wahabism (Israel’s secret lover from saudi Arabia) was mean’t to punish non zionist Muslims.
And the police state offspring of America’s corporatism will be used to punish non zionist Americans, including many Jews.
Why do I say this? Because our police, like ISIS and Drug Cartels, have been trained and armed by America and Israel. And this started WAY before Obama and will probably keep going after him (I mean, Trump didn’t put Saudi Arabia on the Travel Ban, and Saudi arabia again is responsible for 1) it’s own Sharia Law 2) sponsoring ISIS, hell it’s probably where most of the arab looking ISIS soldiers come from, cuz very few are actually from Syria or Iran 3) it’s where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from).
If our children aren’t dead in concentration camp somewhere, they’ll be spitting and pissing on our graves and cursing our names to the 3rd and 4th generation for our treasonous cuckoldry, selling their futures down the street to Globalist Corporations and the Synogogue of Satan, and sacrificing what little wisdom or Christian values we had left over for greed and power, and an excuse to enact revenge for losing popularity on our own children, even though we fell from grace on our own accord.
Considering that the largely Zionist NeoCons originated from the far left, perhaps you people calling all of us critics of the GOP and AIPAC “liberals”, perhaps we’re not liberals. Perhaps you’re just fascist, so right wing it’s unreasonable and quite frankly just as socialist as liberals in your own way. You’re not a tough strict parent, you’re a bully. You’re not a small gov person, you’re for big gov run by corporations, not the free market. You’re not old fashioned, you’re just hateful. You’re not Christian, your true idol is greed. You don’t care about the Jewish people, you just have a death cult of FORCING God against his will to enact prophecy on your terms instead of trusting and obeying in His, and quite frankly you hate the Jews but love Israel. You just want to see it kill dark skinned people, who, ironically, are the actual semites and the closest relatives to Jesus.
Jesus is a hoax
“but that’s redundant because the zi in Nazi is short for Zionist.”
That’s complete and utter crap.
Well Said Benjamin Corey . God loves all of his people equally. I am sure he is crying at the atrocities taking place in his old home town and getting falsely done in his name.
God is imaginary and loves nobody
i don’t see a reason to support isreal mainly i don’t care if jewish people have an ethnostate i don’t support a lot of what isreals goverment has done to pakistan hell i don’t agree with a lot of what pakistan does. but two wrongs don’t make a right
But two Rights made an airplane
I am commenting here with reluctance. I have been a Christian for over 50 years, lived 5 years in Israel, and been passionately involved in this discussion for decades. What I read above however is not a respectful invitation to a genuine discussion, but rather an ultimatum; that you are right, and if you hold a different view, you are damned. In fact, it is an exact copy of your own caricature of a fundamentalist position. You have set out an extreme position, and present it as absolute truth. Is this what is called “virtue signalling”?
There’s only one truth. You either have it or you don’t. Every prophet and apostle gave the ultimatum. Submit to the one truth or suffer God’s wrath.
Yeah, let’s calmly debate the pros and cons of genocide, theft and mass murder.
Jesus doesn’t choose nations.
Anyone who thinks He does has created a nationalistic idol.
For God so loved the world…
Any chance we can delete the anti-semitic nonsense, mods.
Yeah please delete this article.
Thank you for the article. I can safely assume that my thanks are on behalf of all Palestinian Christians who have no place in the destructive eschatology of the Evangelicals.
What is happening to us, the true descendants of the land, cannot be looked upon as collateral damage. The church of the Holy Land is quickly diminishing. 1400 years of Islamic rule did not do a fraction of the damage done in less than a 70 years of Israeli rule.
We have been hoping for decades hoping that our brothers and sisters in Christ would actually pay attention to our plight and stop supporting and funding our executioners, and hopefully, change is in the air, low but steady.
I believe even many Palestinian evangelicals (think Bethlehem Bible College) would also agree with some of your statements (I assume you are not an evangelical?).
For those unfamiliar with what Palestinian Christians in the land really think, a really good resource to check out is a book called “Christ at the Checkpoint”. It discusses the Israeli/Palestinian conflict through the eyes of (I think if I remember correctly) both evangelical and non evangelical Palestinian Christians living in the land. The testimonies and their theological support are really paradigm shifting.
It was not Israel as a nation that pushed out the Christians, it was the horrendous invasion of islamics posing as “refugees” who immediately started their thuggery of discrimination and exploitation, especially after the 1967 war that were responsible for pushing out “Christian” Palestinians! Fact Christians do live within Israel safely and securely, except in those areas of gaza and the west bank where islamics in 1967 went flooding in, pushing out Christians, where today still Christians cannot live safely with genocidal Islamic thug bullying of extortion via violence!
Not all of America’s Christians are “Zionists”! — http://www.whoisisrael.org
Meh please ignore the ignorance of those who belittle your suffering.
Know that real Christians and believers in justice stand with you.
Dear Brother Bashir,
We understand your pain and there are many of us, primarily from the Historicist School of prophecy, who do not believe in Zionism. As I continue to study the prophets, I see two Last Day movements occurring at the same time:
1) A military/political movement, under the guise of religion, seeking to gain control of the Middle East and the literal holy mountain, Mount Moriah in Jerusalem. Daniel 11 spells out these events in great detail (see Daniel 11:36-45).
2) A primarily spiritual movement in which the Messiah replaces the literal mountain (Isaiah 2:2) and temple (John 2:19) and draws peoples of many different ethnic and religious backgrounds to faith in God.
Boo hoo. If you want “your” land back, go ahead and try to take it. I’m sure Allah will help you.
“Allah”? You do realize he’s a Palestinian Christian, right?
See the Christian response to oppression.
You’really a complete merkin.
There are plenty of Arab Christians being oppressed by Israel.
Must remember the next time I see my Palestinian minister friend in Ramallah who was forced out of his home by the IDF at gunpoint then they bulldozed it for settlements
Christianity is a late invention to the land , Jews were there long before
This comes from dispensationalism, where the “age of Grace”, where Israel is spiritual, is a parenthetical era stuck in the middle of the age of Law, where Israel was physical. When the Church is “raptured”, then the world will revert to the Old Covenant, and since current history is believed to be leading up to that, the establishment of a new physical Israel is seen as a sign. This then becomes an issue as to how biblical dispensationalism really is
Israel is now “physical” too
reason why certain right wing elements of Christianity supports Israel
is because they believe it is necessary to have conflict in the Middle
East in order to bring Jesus back, it’s also why there is such fervent
hatred of Islam, despite the fact that it, along with Judaism and
Christianity are the three “Abraham” who share the Prophet as their
“founder.” (And God said to Abraham I will make you a father of
nations.) The believe that strife in the Middle East is part of the end
times prophecy, which they take not to be allegorical like the majority
of sane Christians like me understand it to be, but literal. Some groups
have been so literal as to have been hatching their own terror plots
there. Some were busted with explosives just before the millennium.
That’s what makes this administration extra scary, more so than even the
Bush administration, most of these people fervent believe in this sort
of thing. Especially now that Erik Prince is so tied into the
administration, now you have a covert ops/mercenary type who can pull of
those sort of false flag “terrorist” operation to start a war in the
Middle East. This article came out in 2002, but if I recall really
points out the beliefs that this branch or Christianity espouses.
And they want Jews to convert and become “messianics”
So disgusted by this twisted “nazism”‘ posing as something of “christianity”, raising its ugly genocidal axis of evil propaganda of hate again!
What part of the truth you don’t like?
You are exactly right. This article is completely anti-Semitic.
Care to counter a biblical argument with the bible?
“ugly genocidal axis of evil propaganda of hate” Where do you see this in the article?
As a conservative evangelical, I totally agree with your Biblical analysis of Israel.
With that said this statement:
It depends on how you define Israel. In the occupied territories for instance, Palestinians have to cope with.
No right of free speech, assembly or movement
Arrest and imprisonment without charge or trial
House searches without warrant
Assassination, extra-judicial murder.
But even within Israel proper, there are places set aside exclusively for Jewish occupation and building.
The education systems for Jews and Palestinians are largely separate and unequal.
There are at least twenty laws that discriminate against Palestinians and favour Jewish citizens.
Palestinians are largely under military law not civil law.
So if Israel is not an apartheid state, it is well on the way.
John, Israel is not apartheid state. Arabs have full rights .
one just has to ask how have America been blessed since the creation of the modern state if Israel. we are still in South Korea about as long the modern state existed with no victory in sight. we had endless wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq where the only way there is any end is us just pulling completely out. $16trillion in nation debt since just 2001. how is that a blessing? Spain after exile the jews from the nation in 1492 became the first western European super power after the fall of Rome and stayed that way for over half a century when England defeated them who kicked out jews a century earlier than Spain. most of these people who worship Israel would called these cursed. if the curse means super power status and blessing means endless wars and massive debt then maybe we have it wrong?
seems we have endless wars
AGREED! (If you are interested in more about this issue— I recommend this book— “Who is Israel?” — written by a Bible-believing Pastor… @ http://www.whoisisrael.org
Israel is the Jewish people. The Benei Yisroel
the State of Israel is a modern invention on the same land as ancient Israel and Judah
Tis always intriguing when people debate Israel, and swing from the Holy Scriptures to humanism to make their point of reasoning.
Do you think the author has done this?
This article is exactly the reason why the next holocaust will kill two in there Jews instead of one in three like the first holocaust did.
Zechariah 13:8-9 KJV
 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord , two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.  And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
All the slothful hysteria of a Trump Rally. Congratulations.
Hisprisoner , The Jews have their own state and atom bombs now. This prevents another holocaust . The only reason the Holocaust happened is that the Jews had no escape, no country and no means of fighting back
The reason for the holocaust was thousands of years of Christian anti-semitism.
And that prophecy has nothing to do with your claim.
Hisprisoner, read Zechariah again but this time realize that the prophesy is relative to Christ as the one LORD. Jerusalem means city of peace in spirit. God is spirit, not carnal. Children of God are children of spirit, not carnal.
The Shepherd struck was Jesus and the sheep scattered His disciples; His siblings with, in and of God.
Jesus is king over the whole earth and not only of a physical plot of land known as Israel, or a people who call themselves Jewish. God has no covenant, at all, that separates the Jew, from the Christian, from the Muslim, from the Hindi, or anyone within the whole of Man (to whom a spirit was graced in the image of God) since the covenant with Moses. The whole covenant of authority is with Christ Jesus and known for certain by the acceptance of the Holy Spirit.
Zechariah 14:9 (NIV2011)
Matthew 28:18-20 (NIV2011)
I find it interesting that everyone is quoting old references to NT/OT. Do you not have a brain of your own? True Israelites were servants in the land of the Pharos in Egypt. Moses saved them by enticing them to “The Promised Land.” yet he never set foot on the so-called Promised Land. Could this Promise have been a spiritual one rather than a piece of land? It was not until generations later in Book of Joshua that he raided the land of Canaan with his band of motley crew, setting fire to every house and killing every life form. One more question: How come these supposedly Jewish tribes from Africa suddenly have blue eyes and are blonds??? One staunch Jew actually told me that their women were raped by Europeans. Spare me from your hate. Answer if you have something intelligence to say. Shalom.
Who are you fighting against? Who is ‘hating’ you?
Edit: Nevermind. I read the comments below and figured it out.
Ahmed Asgher • the EXODUS IS FICTION.
; That story has been proven false via scientific archeology, not the oxymoron of ‘Biblical Archaeology’.
Holy books aren’t history books, nor are they scientific texts.
Please allow me to correct you Ahmed.The true Israelites were descendants of Jacob and his sons who were invited by the Pharoah to whom Jacob’s second youngest son Joseph was “vizier” to live in Egypt.
Initially the Israelites were accepted until the Pharoah became concerned that their numbers were too great so he made them into slaves.
Moses never “enticed” the Israelites as you state. The Pharoah had no intention of letting his slaves go and the Book of Exodus, the second book of “The Torah” is the only record of the Israelites leaving Egypt. It was God who caused the Ten Plagues to fall upon Egypt to force Pharoah to let His people go and it was God who instructed Moses and Aaron on how to lead the Israelites out of Egypt.
God never intended Moses to set foot in the promised land and he told him so.
I suggest that you read Exodus because what you have written is so far from the truth that it is amounts to both dishonesty and misrepresentation.
The Cannanites were Baal, idol worshippers and that is why God had them wiped out before the Israelites were allowed to enter less they fall into the same ways. God was, and is very protective of his people.
I have answered you intelligently and without hate but with sympathy that you would go on a rant such as you have when you could have easily read the only recorded history which is contained in the Jewish “Torah” and the Old Testament of the Christian Bible.
“For he is not a Jew, who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” Rom 2:28-29
“For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ….
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then are you Abraham’s descendants, and heirs according to the promise.” Gal 326-29
quoting from the antisemitic NT proves nothing
Israel is a creation of the UN. It was founded by humans not God. Ancient Israel was the kingdom of twelve Hebrew tribes. Three of those tribes practice the religion Yohan Ben Zakkai that he created (with Rome’s permission) after the destruction of Herod’s temple in 70AD. The other nine tribes practice Christianity or Islam. NONE of them practice the religion of Moses. None of them even practice the religion of the Pharisees or Zadokites. Most of israel’s people have had the Hebrew bred out of them if they ever had it in the first place. They could easily be descended from converts with no genetic connection to the Holy Land.
Tribe of Reuben
Tribe of Simeon
Tribe of Levi
Tribe of Judah
Tribe of Issachar
Tribe of Zebulun
Tribe of Dan (Greeks)
Tribe of Naphtali
Tribe of Gad
Tribe of Asher (Assyrians)
Tribe of Joseph
Tribe of Benjamin
Israel is a creation of the UN. , this is a load of baloney. While the UN voted for it, it was the Jews that founded Israel, no number of votes could do it.
In actuality the UN expected the 5 Arab armies to complete the work of the holocaust, killing the vast majority of Jews in the holy land. They would have done nothing if that had happened. They only wanted a a cease fire when the Israelis were winning
The Jews paid for the country with their blood.
Who are you to define what is Judaism and who are Jews?
Israel is allied with and sells weapons to Azerbaijan, the country that wants nothing more than to obliterate Armenia, the first Christian country, off the map. So what’s an Armenian supposed to think of a country that is allied with their sworn enemy, and is making the bullets that kill Armenian soldiers?
Eilat Israel is the departure for Caspian crude bound for Asia. Baku Azerbaijan is where it is received when it comes out of the ground. Both countries have an interest in making sure no other nation on the Caspian shore can receive and transport oil. It would break there monopoly.
And if you think Israel is backwards and racist, wait until you see her neighbors!!
Have you ever been to Middle-eastern country?
I have the same question as @disqus_cP7jnQ45Dr:disqus. I’ve spent lots and lots of time all over the Middle East. My Arabic is pretty good, if I do say so myself (especially my Levant dialect!). What experiences have you had to justify your assertion? Or are you just parroting the bullshit you hear on Fox news?
It’s a disappointment to say the least how often ‘criticism of actions done by some people in the Israeli government’ and ‘opposition to Israel itself’ get conflated. Seriously. It’s not as if, say, people who condemned specific actions by President Barack Obama were somehow ‘anti-American’ and hated the U.S. in its entirety. This distinction is simple enough that even children will get it– saying ‘Dad is doing a bad job’ isn’t the same as ‘I hate Dad’.
Flesh-and-blood humans make mistakes and do bad things. That’s humanity. That’s life.
It is not a flesh-and-blood human mistake that the Jewish settlements have increase for many decades, under many Jewish Israeli elected governments, inside Palestinian territory. This is not criticism of actions done by just some. This is actually criticism for our elected government who sponsors and supports the atrocities attributed to the majority elected Israeli governments, the Israeli military and the Israeli citizens who invaded to establish permanent settlements on land that is not theirs to administer or settle, as per the United Nation covenant in 1947.
Tribal traditionalism that destroys others justified by “our tribe is more favored in God’s eyes than your tribe” is not what disciples of Christ can condone; in fact we must hate:
Luke 14:26-27 (NIV2011)
There is no “Palestinian Territory” , All of the Mandate was established for a Jewish homeland . Arabs have 22 other Arab states
The fact that you can use the Bible to show we do not need to give blind support to Israel while other people can use the Bible to show that we do need to give blind support to Israel reminds me of this statement from the American founder and Deist Thomas Paine taken from The Age of Reason, The Complete Edition:
“In your letter of the twentieth of March, you give me several quotations from the Bible, which you call the Word of God, to show me that my opinions on religion are wrong, and I could give you as many, from the same book to show that yours are not right; consequently, then, the Bible decides nothing, because it decides any way, and every way, one chooses to make it.”
Having our thinking stuck in ancient texts which are loaded with many calls to religious violence is very dangerous living in a nuclear age. As Albert Einstein pointed out, if we want to survive in a nuclear age we must change our thinking.
Personally I think Thomas Paine was right when in The Age of Reason he wrote that we need a revolution in religion based on our innate God-given reason and Deism. This will do a lot to improve our lives and society.
Progress! Bob Johnson
The Bible is like the Constitution in that everyone believes in them but only I and (can’t think of his name) know what they mean.
The OT is the deed to the Land
I find it interesting that super-spiritual Christians think they can determine what is godly or ungodly. If there is a God, God must be omnipotent or he ain’t god. Therefore, WHATEVER God does is good. It is clear to anyone with even a modicum of understanding that the Bible reveals that God is not done with Israel as a nation. If it is all spiritual, as the blogger suggests, then Jesus was a total failure and the books of the Bible are nonsense. The truth is God is in control.
“It is clear to anyone with even a modicum of understanding that the Bible reveals that God is not done with Israel as a nation. ”
Dallas Theological grads and Scofieldites maybe. Not so much the rest of the Christian world. Not a criticism but this is far from a universal Christian belief.
So if the Jews had called their western secular democracy Zionland that wouldn’t be in the Bible.
God has no interest in nations.
They are artificial constructs.
God is interested in injustice.
Thanks for a great article. You put my many thoughts into words
Theologically, agree 100%. Dirt is not “holy.”
On the other hand, Israel and South Africa may be the only friends the US can count on in all of Africa. Not that I know much about the other nations south of the Sand nations. The US seems to have a history of screwing our friends and helping our enemies.
Israel is not in africa
; All the Jews occupying ‘Israel’ should be re-located in Detroit, and outside of the improvement, they’ll never know the difference.
Without Jews to blame, Muhammadans will, truly, be shown for what they are, bronze-age throwbacks, continuing to fight the Crusades, and who refuse to realize they lost the ‘Battle of Tours’.
Someone’s still fighting the Crusades….
Btw the crusades were known for slaughtering Jews as well..
But they did raid Rome in 848
“The entire “stand with Israel” theology is based on one verse, and the verse had nothing to do with any modern nation state born a few thousand years later.”
Neat. That sounds like most of Christian theology.
If it had anything to do with the ancient state it has the same to do with the modern state
For more regarding spiritual Israel, see free online book “Spiritual Israel: Out of All Nations or Out of the Nation of Israel?” at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/Spirit13.php.
there is no “spiritual Israel” , there is no spiritual anything. There is a real Israel.
Bafoofkit, If the Israel in question is not spiritual then, what the need of supporting them, to continue their atrocities?
This becomes even more evident when one discovers that today’s Jews and Israelis (by their own admission) are not genetic Israelites but instead merely proselytes to the religion of Judaism (not to be confused with religion of the Old Testament Israelites). Consider carefully the following quotations, all of them from recognized Jewish authorities:
“Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an ‘Israelite’ or a ‘Hebrew.’” (Richard Siegel and Carl Rheins, eds., “Identity Crisis,” The Jewish Almanac, (New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1980) p. 3.)
That sentence is the opening sentence of the First Chapter entitled “Identity Crisis” of the 1980 Jewish Almanac. That today’s Jews are not genetic Israelites is also admitted in “The
Jewish Encyclopedia,” the “Enyclopedia Judaica,” “The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia,” “The Standard Jewish Encyclopedia,” and by many of their historians.
According to three Jewish encyclopedias and Flavius Josephus, the entire Edomite nation was forced into converting to Judaism and became known as Judahites at the time of the high priest John Hyrcanus (Maccabaeus):
“…in the days of John Hyrcanus (end of the second century B.C.E.) … the Edomites became a section of the Jewish people.” (“Edom,” Encyclopaedia Judaica
(Jerusalem, Israel: Encyclopaedia Judaica Company, 1971) Volume 6, p. 378.)
“They were then incorporated with the Jewish nation….” (“Edom, Idumea,” The Jewish Encyclopedia (New York & London: Funk and Wagnalls Company, 1904) Volume V, p. 41.)
“…from then on they constituted a part of the Jewish people, Herod [King of Judea] being one of their descendants.” (Cecil Roth and Geoffrey Wigoden, “Edom (Idumea),” The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia (Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Company, Inc., 1977) p. 589.)
“…they submitted to the use of circumcision, and the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time … they were hereafter no other than Jews.” (Flavius Josephus, “The Antiquities of the Jews,” Josephus, (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications, 1960) Book XIII, Chapter IX, Verse 1, p. 279.)
We keep hearing that if we don’t bless the modern State of Israel (which America has been doing since at least 1948) that we will be cursed. However, it seems it’s been just the opposite, Since 1948, you name it, and there’s not an area in America wherein she hasn’t become worse off. Could it because America has identified the wrong people as Israel.
Today’s Jews are not the only ones with an identity crisis.
For more, see free online book “The Mystery of the Gentiles: Where Are They and Where Are They Now?” at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/mystery-of-gentiles/index.php.
Ted R. Weiland , the Jews are from the middle east. , Genetics prove that
Precisely, and fully concurred. The Vatican/Illuminati/Rothschild cabal controlled, and Netanyahu run, entity known as STATE OF ISRAEL inc, is not nor will ever be a Biblical fulfillment of anything. It is fully a Satanic deception, and too many are taken in by it.
as a nonchristian, doesn’t the biblical god also extend those same promises to hamar and her descendents?
Great article. Opposing a government that does wrong is the right thing to do. Pastor Hagee is no Christian.
the Not a real Christian fallacy
Most Christian Zionists don’t know they’ve being conned big-time by the Scofield Bible, which tells Christians they must support Israel. This instruction wasn’t in any previous edition of the Bible and was inserted, in footnotes, by convicted conman Pastor Scofield who had been befriended by leaders of the emerging Zionist movement in New York, in the 1890’s. In 1909, it was published by pro-Zionist Oxford University Press. AIPAC bribes buys the U.S. political system, media etc. for Zionism. But, the vital grass-roots support is provided by Christian Zionism via the fraudulent Scofield Bible. The CZ’s need to know about this: https://youtu.be/IO6VpMYAVms
You can’t Occupy your own land
Your land is kazakhstan.
typical Antisemitic tract , the facts are little or not Khazzar DNA exists within the Jewish population, and The Khazzar state was not located in Kazakhstan The Khazars were a semi-nomadic Turkic people with a confederation of Turkic-speaking tribes that in the late 6th century CE established a major commercial empire covering the southeastern section of modern European Russia
The native religion of the Khazars is thought to have been Tengrism, like that of the North Caucasian Huns and other Turkic peoples. The polyethnic populace of the Khazar Khaganate appears to have been a multiconfessional mosaic of pagan, Tengrist, Jewish, Christian and Muslim worshippers
The theory of Khazzaar origins is associated with antisemitism and anti-Zionism.
The land belongs to the Palestinians.
Israel is illegally occupying it.
Stop supporting genocide.
The Bible says otherwise, and the so called “Palestinians” who can’t even pronounce Palestine, originate mostly in other nearby Arab countries. For example more than half of the population in Gaza are Egyptian, Erakat the “Palestinian” negotiator belongs to a tribe that occupies part of Saudi Arabia . Eduard Said, another professional “Palestinian” was born in Egypt as was Arafat
In addition the Efendis that owned the land upon which most of the Arab population were surfs, lived in Syria …Damascus..
The bible is not a legal document and has no relevance.
The FACT is that that land is LEGALLY OWNED BY PALESTINIANS.
bad the truth can’t be told as the media has been gagged. Most people
don’t bother to connect the dots right in front of them or above them.
Seriously folks “climate change” is a product of another more vicious
reason. Oh yes, there’s the bible pounders saying Armageddon is upon us,
and in a way they are right. Wormwood is spoken of in the Bible, but
modern folk go pifftttsss, so silly, it has to be fossil fuel. The skies
are being draped in chemical mists, to hide the incoming visitors. If
you are a physics student you already know that gravitation pull,
magnetic push, and solar/cosmic waves of energy are real. Hawaii is just
a small blip on the map of earthquakes and volcanic activity. Right now
the New Madrid fault line is sucking the Mississippi dry, Yellowstone
caldera is showing signs of waking up. The earth is heating from
underneath as well as above, all because part of the solar family has
returned, as it always does.The past at least three decades has been the
approach, now in the center ready to slingshot around the sun to head
back out over another 3 decades. Hail the prodigal SUN! News flash, we
live in a binary solar system and brother sun is here too.
Israel’s actions has no bearing on whether they should exist or not. Support for Israel just means support them against anything that might destroy them, not supporting their evil actions.
But let’s review the points.
1. The author surmises the ancient Israel and modern Israel are two separate things. Which means he doesn’t know how nations work in the Bible. Nations in the Bible are based on blood, and since Israel has Jewish blood of Abraham, it *is* Israel. Ancient Israel having a different government matters not, it is the blood that matters.
2. Descendants of Abraham are both physical and spiritual. However, descendants of JACOB are physical. The verses where he implies that are actually directed to physical Jews, so only physical Jews can be spiritual Jews, not Gentiles.
3. Internal moral cleansing by prophets does not constitute against Israel. Prophets did not rejoice in Israel being destroyed, but being renewed. Also, prophets are not other nations. The context is other nations supporting Israel.
4. Again, there’s a difference between supporting a nation to exist, and . It’s like, someone is out to kill a thief. What the thief does is sinful. But does he deserve to be killed at the outset? You can support the thief not being killed and not the thievery itself.
And as one pointed out, the author assumes what Israel does is actually evil, when it’s obvious he has just been fed propaganda. It is up to nations to wage war. The human rights violations he implies are broken aren’t Biblically-based, and he thinks human rights violation are sin. The evils of Israel in the Bible are idolatry. Not killing. In fact, the Bible says for Israel to raze the land and killa
Now i the right context, we see nations throughout the Old Testament supporting evil Israel, but not in their evil, and God blessed them. For example, as allies in war.
Actually,if “it is the bloodline that matters,” almost 100 percent of Ashkenazi ‘Jews’ — including Theodore Herzl, Chaim Weizmann, Israel Zangwell, and the European and Western 19th century architects of the Zionist movement, and later the Zionist landgrab in Palestine for a Jewish state perpetrated by Jabotinsky, Ben-Gurion, Begin, Shamir, Sharon and Netanyahu today — cannot claim Palestine (or any part of it) as their ancient homeland. Current DNA technology has revealed that they aren’t even genetically Jewish! In fact, Ashkenazi ‘Jews’ originated elsewhere, in a region of Kazakhstan that was part of the former Soviet Union. They never came from Palestine and are ‘Jews’ only by religious practice, custom and claim, not by bloodline. In fact, the present-day Palestinians — the indigenous people of Palestine — are more genetically linked by their DNA to the ancient Hebrew tribes, than are Ashkenazi ‘Jews.’
The modern day Jews are not Israelites. Based on their own words and numbers 90% are from Togarmah, a grandson of Japheth. 9% are as the Jewish Encyclopedia says, “Edom is in modern Jewry”. Scripture spells out exactly who is physical Israel today, no spiritualizing scripture required. God did not break his promises and “adopt” some other people. What makes more sense as to who is Israel? People who hate Christ and spit when they hear His name or people who for almost 2000 years, if they have had any religion at all, have been Christian? The historical and archeological evidence abounds if one just looks for it. ( http://www.christianisrael.info/ )
Thanks for you clarity of thought and depth of understanding. You are correct sir.
But please get a more readable font.
Guess who wrote the Bible? Jews. TADA……Taking every sentence of those ancient manuscripts as if they were written by God and were talking about the “state of Israel” today is absolutely absurd. Those who use such ignorance to condone persecuting other people are devious and cruel. They try to justify hideous behavior by lying that “God” said to do this. What kind of “God” do they follow?
only the OT , the NT is Greek
But the people who wrote thr NT were Greek-speaking Jews.
“The Bible teaches that the true descendants of Abraham are spiritual, not ethnic” is supersessionism, and is definitionally antisemitic. It is, in fact, the justification for essentially everything a Christian church has done or preached that is antisemitic since the establishment of Christianity as a thing. You cannot be a “progressive” Christian and believe that.
it has to do with either lineage or customs and behavior , Christianity is not Judaism
The Bible says other people will be grafted onto the root of Abraham, which provides for the promises made to Abraham to be bestowed also on Christian peoples, but don’t for even a minute think God is through with the Jewish people. Modern Israel was created by God, despite the semantics of this writer. I can’t take away his “Christian” card, nor can anyone else, save God. But if he continues cursing the Jewish people, I do not want to be standing with him when lightening strikes!
no it does not
Since the Bable is only a historical novel, we immediately discount all from that book of fables!!
Looks like whoever has the bigger right has the right!!!
and of course – that is Israel – they are a nation ….
When Palestine decides to act like a nation……!……
I love Israel enough to not allow her continued ungodly actions and behavior against their neighbors. Standing with Israel, means holding them accountable. Today we are seeing efforts to make it illegal to even criticize Israel’s actions. Fortunately there are Rabbis and Jews, who have joined the voice for peace and righteous behavior. May the Prince of Peace, who loves us all, reign supreme in our hearts this Holy Season.
Pardon me, but only 72 years ago the Godly Christians in Europe were pushing Jews into gas chambers while the Godly Christian US state department actively prevented Jews from escaping from Europe
By the way, your hemidemisemigod Jesus was never called “the prince of Peace” in the NT
Because it is from the OT nitwit.
I always wonder: is what we know as Israel today what God intended? It seems no different from the Israel/Judah, condemned by God centuries ago. Somehow I think that what was prophesied would look/act differently from what is present. I’m especially puzzled by the non-religious Israelites. How can this be? I have nothing against the people of Israel, whether they are atheists, agnostics or practicing Jews; I’m just confused about the state of the state. And you are correct: their violence towards the Palestinians is a horrible thing, and the Evangelical Trump Christians are way off the mark, Benjamin.
Are we allowing holocaust denial and antisemitism on this thread?
Are we allowing Palestine denial and anti-Semitism (anti-Arab hate and bigotry, because Arabs are also a Semitic people) on this thread? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a774ee3e5b81428e2a03b3b4ddc32d2d0e5452eae63490121ddcebd6adec113a.jpg
Being pro-Palestinian and anti-semitic are not the same thing.
You are an anti-semite, a holocaust denier, a nazi sympathiser and a disgrace.
Wanna bet? And I won’t bother with the name-calling.
You are an anti-semite, a holocaust denier and a Nazi and Imperial JApanese sympathiser.
It’s people like you who damage the Palestinian cause.
The difference between anti-semitism and pro-palestine is this.
Anti-semitism is based on racism, holocaust denial and hatred of Jews.
The pro-Palestinian position is based on freedom for Palestine and out of concern for the people of Palestine.
Nothing more, nothing less.
So take your Jew hate and shove it up your arse.
Those who stand with Israel today would stand with Israel under King Ahab and kill the prophets.
So according to the Holocaust denier on here, aside from eyewitness accounts of survivors and allied soldiers, journals of Nazis, confessions and transcripts from trials, there’s really no evidence of a holocaust.
All those people were in on a Jewish conspiracy. (In fact ww2 was a Jewish conspiracy)
As much as I support my Palestinian brothers and sisters, liars and Nazi sympathisers have no place and damage their cause.
We need to let them know that and call out evil and bs for what it is.
This article is nothing but antisemitic trash and is full of lies
does “progressive Christian” imply hatred of Jews in a genteel fashion ?
Actually “progressive Christian” means a person of the Christian faith who is well-informed on the Middle East and takes a stand against the establishment of a Jewish-supremacist apartheid state in Palestine….
Actually “progressive Christian” means a person of the Christian faith who has decided that his antisemtism can be justified if it is called antizionism
1. The entire “stand with Israel” theology is based on one verse, and the verse had nothing to do with any modern nation state born a few thousand years later. [Malarkey]
Jerusalem is mentioned many times in the OT, and stand for the entire Jewish kingdom or commonwealth
The Bible is the deed to the land, and genetic studies prove that today’s Jews are the descendants of the people that inhabited the Ancient Jewish kingdom…
2. The Bible teaches that the true descendants of Abraham are spiritual, not ethnic. [Malarkey]
the only time “spiritual israel” is mentioned in in the NT, a greek pagan addon . not in the OT .
the NT is not cogent to Jews and is also full of “replacement ideology” which allowed the church to persecute and murder Jews
Question: “What is spiritual Israel?”
Answer: The phrase spiritual Israel is used in two primary contexts. The first is as a reference to the entire body of Christian believers, in distinction to the political or racial people of Israel.
An atheist claiming the Bible as the deed to land is just plain moronic.
False on several counts. Show me anywhere on the planet where a court of law would recognize a property claim based on the word of God (in the Bible, Koran, Talmud, Hindu Veda or any other religious tome). The Bible is the deed to nothing, especially as Jews were not the first inhabitants of Palestine in its 5000 years of recorded history, nor did they rule there longer than several other peoples did — Egyptians, Canaanites, Romans, Muslims.
Further, please do your homework. Genetic studies have now disclosed the inconvenient fact that nearly 100 percent of Ashkenazi ‘Jews’ are not genetically linked to Palestine. They cannot trace their genetic lineage back to the original 12 Hebrew tribes and their descendants. Ashkenazi ‘Jews’ came from somewhere else. It turns out that present day Palestinians — the indigenous people of Palestine — are more genetically related to the ancient Israelites than Ashkenazi ‘Jews,’ including Netanyahu and his menagerie of Zionist-supremacist thugs and war criminals that now run Israel. And BTW, if you are an Ashkenazi ‘Jew,’ also including yourself….
Just because you claim it doesn’t make it so. Jerusalem is not the same as Israel you goddamn moron
it is symbolic of the entire nation
And the Arabs.
What an ignorant anti-Semite. Sad.
What an obvious paid hasbara troll. Zionists are not Semitic, Palestinians are so how is it anti Semitic?
Yes they certainly are. Nazi Cartoons said they were now the antisemites are trying to tell us we are not semites anymore, what a load of houey
First two points:
1. Genesis 12:3 IS doctrinally for the nation of Israel, not just Abraham the person. This is because the promise is REPEATED to the nation of Israel later on in the Bible, “GOD BROUGHT HIM FORTH OUT OF EGYPT; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows. He couched, he lay down as a lion, and as a great lion: who shall stir him up? BLESSED IS HE THAT BLESSETH THEE, AND CURSED IS HE THAT CURSETH THEE.” (Numbers 24:8-9).
2. The physical Jews ARE God’s “seed”, “O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.” (Psalm 105:6). “I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.” (John 8:37).
Edomites are not the real Hebrews! Sorry I’m both! The Hebrews [Jacob] are coming to take back from Esau both propgecied ,
The Church is not Religion , that the other jesus 2 Corth 11:4 , they all are 13-15 . The Church [ Remnant ] is coming back!, Big ,Big way , regions are Satan’s way! Mybe you to?
No-one can prove me wrong! I will Challenge anyone! Your god is BAAL! If I’m wrong I’ll blow my brains out if your wrong just pay me 20k . That’s it! Also price there Edomites, but the way we are going to heaven too! I know I have see it!
Also DNA if Christ, two witnesses, no male Chormison
What is happening to us, the true descendants of the land, 1/3 of the “Palestinians have Egyptian roots many hail from Syria, Yemen and the Arabian peninsula Erekat the “Palestinian representative is a good example Erekat’s own genealogy, which is easily researched, puts his ancestral Huweitat tribe back in the Arabian peninsula as recently as the 19th century. Only after the Jews began returning to the land en masse did the Huweitat tribe take up residence near Jericho, Jerusalem and other parts of what are now Israel and Jordan.
Actually, in the 5000 year recorded history of Palestine, Jews were not the first inhabitants, nor did they rule there longer than others, nor are they the “true descendants of the land.” Other civilizations in the area predate the Hebrew tribes by more than 1000 years ….
Generally agree with the majority of the points made. Especially in the area of the true Israel being of the spirit rather than the flesh. Especially since the coming of Jesus. but to sit there and act as though somehow Israel wasn’t a blessed nation by God to the exclusion of many other nations is either foolishness on your part or intentional misleading. I personally think you mean to intentionally mislead. That is even partly backed by your only menioning that the ‘poor and marginalized’ seem to be the reason to God coming down on Israelites not the nation of Israel itself. As though seual immorality wasn’t rampant and all the false gods brought into the land among many other sins they were committing. And the prophets of God were sent by God to repeatedly call the Israelites back to Him from their wickedness of all kinds.
Honestly, you think calling it a ‘nation state’ makes it irrelevant what God said of it? Do you think your words carry more weight than what God said of Israel? Do you think the mere passing of centuries or even millennia invalidates the word of God? No it doesn’t. But as you rightly point out, Jesus is King. And s such the ‘Israel’ that exists now that God blessed according to the ‘seed’ of Abram has changed from the Israel in the flesh to the Israel in Spirit, or Christians. Well, the true Christians anyway. Not all the fakers.
Those ones calling themselves Christians should stop with the whole thought of thinking they are to keep helping a nation of ppl who seem to identify with the blood of being an Israel and not so much the God of the nation. God doesn’t love the ‘secular Israel’ any more than the ‘Israel’ that follows and bows down to false god/s. And again, the most important part is that Jesus is God’ s chosen one that many of the nonChristian Jews do not accept at all and even intensely hate for one reason or another due to what they’ve been taught by the so called ‘Rabbis’ in their land. Jesus said a few times in Scripture ‘those who deny me do not have the Father either’. He said that directly to Jews in Israel. That is still true to this day.
Also, you might wish to keep a proper perspective about Israel angering God and how much more other false woshiping nations anger God in what they do. That includs all those middle eastern nations surrounding Israel. In case you should wishto think favorable things about them while slamming Israel.
Especially in the area of the true Israel being of the spirit rather than the flesh. is idiotic hokum. Israel is real people living real lives
The 144,000 are from the 12 tribes, so that kind of destroys your idea that they are not ‘ethnic’. It isn’t hard to grasp, they are Jews both according to the flesh, and spiritually.
The book of Revelation is silly. It has stars falling to the earth, knocked out of the sky by a dragon. It has the sky ripping like a curtain.
It has a new Jerusalem , a 1500 miles on a side cube made of rocks, with no means of propulsion, falling out of the sky and a glowing Jesus.
The 144,000 is nuts, there were no such tribes when it was written and the stupid author of revelation forgot DAN
You mentioned the prophets of Israel who criticized Israel for their evil however the prophets actually condemned Israel as God speaking through them said he would hand them over to their enemies and in the case of Babylon that is exactly what happened. When that happened Israel ceased to exist and when God handed the rest over to the Assyrians Judah ceased to exist. In 100 AD Ptolemy drew a map of the middle east and there was NO Israel on it! However he called the whole area ‘Palestina’ as that is what it was. Jesus said of the Jewish leaders ‘You are of your father the devil who was a liar from the beginning and the father of all lies’. Lying is a cultural trait of many Jews so today you hear Palestine never existed but somehow a nation founded by Jewish gangsters and terroristrs (Albert Einstein and many others condemned the ‘facism’ undergirding Israel) yet fawn over every law they write as if it had divine unction.
I take it Ben is a Calvinist, since most of them are anti-Israel. He mentions “gross human right” abuse of some group, when there are many ethnic groups. But like most progressives or bigoted liberals they automatically side up with Palestinians. Ben is right, however, that the Bible may not explicitly state that we are not to stand for Israel as Christians, although as a humane act belonging to the human race it is better to stand for a democratic country – which Ben forgets about. But isn’t that what liberals do, have selective intelligence, if at all?
Why do you want to support the Palestinian people? If you are not for one group then you are for the other group, by default. Why? And the Palestinians want to annihilate Israel a smarter place to live than all other countries in the Middle East; let them take over and the land will become a trashcan.
This article is typical liberal Calvinist symbolism over substance. How do I know? Because I just opened Ben’s trashcan and smelled the garbage and I know history. Often we can get a whiff of the progressive (liberal) Christian since they like to be known first as progressive, then Christian, saying nothing worthwhile.
For all the times I have passionately disagreed with Benjamin Corey, I agree heartily with him here.
Even just a quick perusal of Jesus’ comments about Abraham’s children (Jn.8) or Paul’s reference to the Church as the “Israel of God” (Gal.6) make the religio-political argument untenable.
Christians: send missionaries to Israel, not missiles.
I get the impression that the evangelical’s interest in Israel has more to do with the role they believe Israel must play in the apocalyptic prophesies concerning the return of Christ.
Regarding point #2, I was taught that the HEBEW (maybe not the Greek) used in Genesis 12:3 referred to PHYSICAL progeny and could not be used as a reference to “spiritual progeny” — disregarding the Christian Bible scriptures quoted. This was used by my teacher as an argument to debunk the christian doctrine of Supersessionism. If Supersessionism is true, then God is a liar and an oath breaker — can’t be.
An interesting article but with respect, perhaps a little on the inflamatory side given that most is your opinion and is not supported by reference to other experts. I suggest unless a reader is completely up with the history and the present which I am not, then it is difficult to come up with an appropriate in depth response. I do understand your intent.
I am in the process of studying Israel, the history and the present and when you quoted Romans 9:6 I went to my commentary resources, including an exegetical on Romans and found that there is much more depth to this subject than you covered, or could cover in the space, or motive of your article. That is why I chose the words “a little on the inflamatory side.
Your article has brought out both emotion and well intentioned comments as well as some that do not contribute. I hope that others have been prompted to dig deeper and understand what Paul intendended in Rom.9:6 and not be surface readers.
If one follows the beginnings of the blind “Biblical support” of the Zionist state, it goes back to Freemasonry, no great shock there.
People who hate on Freemasonry have no Idea what Freemasons, do. They run Children’s hospitals
Evangelical America is deeply sick. It is rife with the heresy of Zionism. I have heard Zionist preachers teach we must attack Iran to protect Israel. Russia is ‘Gog’ and therefore the enemy.
Satan must be really enjoying all this.
Zionism has nothing to do with your paganized death cult